Oliver Cromwell
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Revolting! And that’s just the behaviour of the pratfall of clowns in the HoC yesterday. It is beyond belief that the same cabal of Remain MPs and MSM ‘political correspondents’, who have screeched since June 24th 2016 that a majority of 52% is far too small to allow Brexit to go forward, have no qualms to bulldoze through and celebrate a so-called Brexit Bill with a majority of 1 -one!- vote!
Before the voting yesterday afternoon Ms May was meeting with Corbyn. That meeting didn’t really go to plan:
“No 10 and Labour claimed initially that the leaders had had a “constructive” meeting after they spent an hour and 40 minutes in the Commons working through options. They agreed to set up a working party to meet today.” (paywalled link)
Mr Corbyn btw has been getting stick from his own shadow cabinet, demanding that a 2nd referendum must be part of his deal with Ms May. We can guess how the May-Corbyn deal will look when we see, surprise surprise, how the May-team is made up::
“Mrs May appointed a Remain-heavy negotiating team to carry on the talks with Labour until her next meeting with Mr Corbyn. Cabinet Office Minister David Lidington, Chief Whip Julian Smith and chief of staff Gavin Barwell all voted Remain, with only Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay voting Leave among the quartet.” (link, paywalled)
Of course, to make certain that everything was running according to the Whitehell Remain plans, look who was there:
“Mrs May’s Brexit negotiator Olly Robbins was in Parliament on Wednesday and was understood to be party to the talks.” (link, paywalled)
It gets worse though. While that Letwin/Cooper” Bill is now having to go through the HoL – 98% Remain! – Ms May is crashing, sorry: planning ahead, Corbyn talks notwithstanding:
“If Mrs May fails to reach an agreement with Mr Corbyn, she is expected to table a series of votes that will force MPs to choose between her deal or an alternative such as a customs union, which could take place on Monday.” (link, paywalled)
Remember that she will have to present her ‘deal’ to the EU Council on April 10th, and the EU is of course happy to ponder what sort of extension they will offer the hapless May. So the Whitehell serpents are ‘preparing’ a relevant letter to the EU already, in the hope that the HoL will pass “That Bill” later today.
This farce has now become utterly byzantine – do let this information sink in:
“A long extension, or ‘flextension’, will still require the UK to continue with preparations for EU elections on May 23 – but these polls would no longer be required to be held if a deal was passed and ratified by May 22.” (link, paywalled)
Given yesterday’s brilliant ‘performance’ of bulldozing a “Bill” through the HoC – three readings in one afternoon – we can be 100% certain that, now that a precedence has been created, such deal would be forced through the House in time so that the EU Parliamentary elections – which neither Labour nor the Tories want – will not come to pass, fiery speeches by Nigel Farage and Gerard Batten notwithstanding.
Meanwhile, the fabled 1922 Committee was meeting yesterday to ponder yet again on ways of how to remove Ms May. That mountain, topped up by the ERG, again gave birth to a mouse. Ms May stays … Party before Brexit, innit!
It is pathetic how the Tory MPs are incapable or unwilling to get their act together while the ordinary party members in the country – 7 out of 10 according to this snap survey – want her gone:
“Our take is that most Conservative MPs want her out of Downing Street as soon as possible.. That many of them want her out now. And that none of them have a clear idea of how this might be achieved.”
Pathetic – as pathetic as Mr Steve Baker putting his hope in the HoL to somehow filibuster “That Bill” (here). Fat chance of that happening in the Remain HoL! Has he, have we still not learned not to put our ‘trust in Princes’?
The papers this morning have dedicated yet more pixels to politicians, especially Tory politicians – some of whom nobody has ever heard of before – but as none of them bring anything new or even a hint of a solution, I shall refrain from even mentioning them.
The one point none of the MSM and not even some Brexit twitterers have dealt with is the unmitigated travesty of how the whole Letwin/Cooper Bill was presented and pushed through.
Sir Bill Cash pointed out repeatedly that this “Bill” was so ill conceived and ill prepared that they even quoted from standing orders which didn’t actually exist – to no avail.
That farce got worse: Ms Cooper, presenting her ‘Bill’, gave a speech which was better suited for a Remain Rally. She quoted the latest Project Fear pronouncement from Whitehell – ‘we’re all going to die’ – using that letter by the head of the Civil Service to the Cabinet on Tuesday as supporting evidence.
To crown it all: the HoC printer – do they only have one? – had broken down so the amendments to that “Bill” were not even available for debate.
When Sir Bill Cash pointed out that the order papers were deficient, the Speaker sneered – but lo and behold, the order papers were deficient! There were not even enough copies of “The Bill” or selected amendments for everyone to read!
MPs pointed out significant discrepancies in the list of amendments and major drafting errors in the Bill itself. MPs had different amendments on the paper in front of them, they weren’t even discussing the same things. And still they ‘debated’ merrily …
Sir Bill Cash’s remark fell on deaf ears:
“It would cost the taxpayer £36 billion if our EU membership was extended for up to two years. Why does the Cooper- Letwin Bill not have a Money Resolution since it proposes spending so much?” (here)
The Remainers were riding high and roughshod over any objections. A Labour shadow minister had the effrontery to declare that “We support this Bill because it’s necessary to fulfil the wishes of the House”, showing clearly what this was all about: the Remain Parliament stomping on the wishes of the 17.4 million Brexit voters.
This is what the HoC’s buffoonery has achieved:
“Every English and Welsh region outside the M25 is happy to leave the European Union without a deal if no agreement can be reached by the end of next week. The study by YouGov asked voters “if Britain has not agreed a deal by April 12th, what do you think should happen?”The research found that only people living in London did not want to leave without a deal.” (link, paywalled)
That would have seemed impossible even a few weeks ago!
More and more voters watching Parliament Live, are now holding their MPs in deepest disgust. They see that it is not Brexit which is ‘a danger’ to our country and democracy but that our elected representatives instead have become the imminent danger to our country.
The MPs have paraded their venality, their stupidity and their contempt for us live on TV, for all to see. This will not end well for any of them, but nor will it end well for us. We’ll still be in agony over Brexit because the HoC does emphatically not want a GE. Is the time for civic unrest now approaching fast?
Brexit Betrayal + 8
or will it be even longer?
KBO!
A very revealing summary. Thanks Viv. So long heralded ” Representative democracy” turns into ” Unrepresentative Dictatorship”.
The sheer enormity of this unprecedented crime being committed against the British people (Leave and Remain) by the relatively few EU agents should now be starting to sink in.
This a not a time for sportsman type decisions with a shrug of the shoulders and a handshake and an oh well we done our best and won but really lost.
This is a fight for Britain and its people that we cannot afford to lose, we will never get another fair referendum. If these collaborators are allowed to continue, policies will ensure that our demise is accelerated, our country plundered our people will end up as minority and our country will be little than a backwater state in Eastern Europe.
For those with access to leaders of various like minded organisations,. please reason with them or bang their heads together to produce a united front and use existing skills effectively, the masses must be organised to obtain what we are entitled too, ballot boxes results to be respected, freedom and independence.
Crashing Out is now Crawling In
In reply to your last comment Ken, as to who should be pushing ‘LEAVE under WTO’ forward, of course it should be the leadership of UKIP. Unfortunately we’re not getting any leadership from that direction.
Thanks for the reply Debbie. Disappointing about UKIP but if a referendum is called I’ll raise it again.
Meanwhile at least the idea’s out there. If Leave isn’t given as an option we can put it on ourselves.
May I suggest that a petition be started.
The petition would allow us to the people to register our displeasure at the way that Brexit has been conducted since the result of the referendum in 2016. Adding that we have no faith that the Houses of Commons and Lords are fit for the purpose of good government and therefore to cease and desist all negotiations on behalf of the UK with the EU with immediate effect. Allowing the UK to leave the EU on 12th April 2019 with a WTO Deal.
This would be much less damaging than allowing social unrest to be fermented by the usual suspects, particularly with EU troops on a visit to the UK.
British patriots need to build weapons and declare civil war on Treasonous May
You are right bring out the cannons, blow that den of thieves to kingdom come!
You could start a petition at https://petition.parliament.uk/ David. You’ll need the e-mail addresses of five people to get it going. I’ll send you mine and if anyone else wants to pass their e-mail address to David, just post here and we’ll pick it up and send it along (without publishing it).
Hi Debbie, you are welcome to send mine. I’ve not much confidence in petitions but it would be good to get the criticism out in public view.
You are wasting your time with petitions imo.
Sadly Deborah, I agree – they are treated with the same disdain and contempt as 17.4 million patriots and democracy itself.
Oh no not another petition !!!!! Do TPTB care that they have incurred our displeasure or that they trample on Rule of Law? . And I begin to wonder whether they care anymore about elections now that their wicked work is almost done? There’s probably a nice sinecure waiting for many of them with the EU?
I have thought of a metaphor for the LiblabCon. Three boils on the same buttock.
Being rude to them may make me feel better but it does no good. Listening to Call Me Matt on the Today programme this morning it looks to me as if we are losing. Having submerged entirely for weeks, he has at last surfaced and started supporting Mrs May. Had there been a major chance of the Leave group in Parliament managing to save something from the wreckage of our democracy, young Matthew would still be down full fathom five, keeping his options open and lines of retreat fully prepared.
Don’t blame me. I stood for UKIP.
JF
We are watching Brexit sink into the abyss.
For the first time my blood ran cold this morning, may be it,s because I,m a bit depressed over all about the fading prospects of a No Deal Brexit,, but it was an interview on Sky that Bolton conducted with ADONIS, Mr Sunlight himself.
Adonis was commenting on the purpose and progress of the Long Extension bill now in the HOL.
Oh yes there was no doubt Geoff Rooker would ensure it passed despite any attempts at fiilibustering, but when pointed out the HOL was solidly remain and made clear the objective of the whole operation from now on was to reverse Brexit which would be achieved through a people,s vote.
Perhaps I,m wrong, but I felt at that moment that if there was a binary People,s Vote and the questions were a choice between Mrs May,s deal and Remain as you are I would have to abstain as I consider her deal worse than remaining.
Can anybody offer me any hope now?
I agree that such a binary vote is quite possible, Roger. We’ll be asked if we want BRINO – otherwise Mrs May’s Withdrawal Agreement – or Remain. There will be no option to leave.
But I would disagree with you that abstaining is the answer. In this instance I would write ‘Leave’ into my ballot paper and mark my cross accordingly. Yes, it would be listed as a spoilt paper, but at least I would have had my say.
I think that either the binary vote or more choices would be used either to exclude that which we voted for or to split the vote. Government under Cameron failed to get the result they wanted by thinking it was a sure thing. They will not make the same mistake again. I would not be surprised if modelling of the various scenarios were underway now to aid them in their decision on how best to deny us the freedom we voted for and which was promised on many occasions to be respected.
🙂
Debbie, this dates from 2017 but describes how to Vote None for anyone that’s interested
http://www.votenone.org.uk/index.html
I like it Ken, “none” doesn’t quite fit the bill, but I certainly think “LEAVE under WTO” fits the bill and I believe a nationwide campaign resulting in 17.4 million LEAVE votes could effectively nullify a binary referendum result.
There,s one thing “they ” cannot stand and that,s derision I mean the goons who guard this prison camp called the EU
PS I really do believe this is one enterprise that could be pushed across the whole population without any political nuance I.e. We are being denied democracy if we are not given an opportunity to a fair return vote question and that unites us all
Roger, it doesn’t matter what we say as long as we all say the same thing. This idea was formulated for a GE, but no reason why it can’t be applied to a referendum. The important thing is to get it organised and publicised, before the stitch-up is foisted on us. Is there anyone who could push this forward?
Hi Debbie, it takes brains to do your job, of course I leave mine at the door.
Yes spoil the damned thing, in fact use the substance as ink which gets carted down our road in great big tankers and is sprayed on the fields or use the “real stuff vitriol”
Can I urge patience and avoid extreme inflamation of feeling and look at the reality of the situation. We are leaving the European Union – it is how we leave and when we leave that is up to Politicians to manage. If it had been straightforward and simple we would have left on the 29th March. The issue has been that the deal on the table is not acceptable safe for Northern Ireland – which is part of the United Kingdom. It is not that long since terrorism ended in both Britain and Northern Ireland. Borders are important. I fully accept that we will leave at some point when consideration and negotiation has reached a point that is workable for the whole of the United Kingdom. I wanted to remain but accept that we are leaving. However it has to be safe and workable and firing up fury and hatred towards individuals is not going to solve anything. We don’t want a civil war.
I wish that I could be confident at this moment in time that we were leaving. I think that the NI agreement was only reached because of a credible threat of violence. Can we be sure that the exit that we voted for (i.e. a clean exit with no control by the EU) will be achieved without that?
Hazel, I don’t know what you’ve been smoking, but Theresa May’s deal is NOT leaving the EU and in addition is throwing away the key to jail. Read a factual synopsis of the (non) Withdrawal Agreement on BrexitFacts4eu.org entitled ’15 fundamental reasons why Mrs May’s Withdrawal Agreement is an abomination’,TAKEN FROM the 595 page WA and the Political Declaration!! Our treasonous and traitorous Prime Minister and politicians are making civil unrest an inevitability.
And this is looking at the REALITY of the situation as you put it, about which you seem to know very little.
The Third-World Road.
The politicians they come and the politicians they go, Labour, CON it matters not,
and the plan? THE PLAN, it rolls on.
A meeting on a train parked on a bridge over the Zambesi near Victoria Falls.
A meeting on a warship, named HMS Tiger, I think, (yes, we still had a real navy then!)
and the plan? Yes THE PLAN, still it rolls on.
Country after country put back on the road to the third world.
And now, back in Blighty, who would have thought,
with the bright lights suddenly turned on so we can clearly see the startled cockroaches for the vermin they are, scuttling about, (no more we the ‘conspiracy theorists’, you got that MSM, you low-life scum-bags masquerading as ‘news’?)
yes we, we the people, clearly see THE PLAN and yes,
THE PLAN, it rolls on!
YOU can stop the plan.
Vote UKIP, support UKIP, join UKIP, stand for UKIP, donate.
YOU have the power.
USE IT!
Some time after the Tiger talks Harold Wilson visited the ship and asked where was the picture of himself he had presented to the wardroom. A search was instigated but it could not be found.
A couple of matelots had apparently taken it to the side and cast it over They wanted to see if it really could walk on water.
JF
A friend and correspondent has just sent me this link:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807800
Words fail me!
Can Brexiteer civil servants ask for counselling due to the stress of having Remain forced down their throats?
Can us ordinary voters demand ‘counselling’, due to the stress of seeing our tax money being wasted on Remain and the EU and on counselling civil servants for something that’s not even happening?
Wikipedia give this definition of a Soft Coup and to quote from it:
“Soft coup is a coup d’état without the use of violence, but based on a conspiracy or plot that has as its objective the taking of state power by partially or wholly illegal means, in order to facilitate an exchange of political leadership – and in some cases also of the current institutional order.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_coup
This is exactly what we have now and all along since we won the Brexit referendum. Parliamentary rules and procedures have been willfully ignored and the remainers in our government are let’s face it, representatives of a foreign power, that their wishes should override the democratic choice of the majority of Brits is against everything that our democracy stands for.
This, as I’ve been saying is a coup, a soft coup for now but I’m sure the violence won’t be far behind and I’m sure the enemy have already planned for it.
We must keep trying to nip this evil in the bud before we loose our country. The EU knows that the majority of Brits don’t want to be ruled by them, yet still they try and force their rule upon us, they must think or plan to totally repress us and so we can assume that their intentions are very evil.
The EU plan to rule by whatever means necessary, if we don’t get out of this now, the future for us, our children and grandchildren is going to be very bleak.
The Remainers and Revokers are running amok and unfettered in the anarchic mess we call a Parliament. This is not Democracy, it’s dictatorship by the House of Commons. They are supposed to represent us but how is this possible when around 70% them are prepared to do anything to remain, despite 17.4 million voting to leave. They are not representative of the country as a whole. The second referendum they are pushing for will be a stitch-up choice between a BRINO or Remain. The Government is unable to govern. No second referendum, there must be a General Election now. Put THAT to the people. We’ve had enough of, lies, extensions, indicative votes, second referendums and blatant ignoring of manifesto pledges, etc, etc. For God’s sake just LEAVE !!!!
This seems to be a well planned coup with military backup provided by the EU as 10,000 of their troops arrived in the UK for ‘exercises’ on the 30 of March. Is the date just a coincidence?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/10000-troops-from-13-countries-arrive-in-the-uk-for-major-exercise
Seems that most of these exercises will take place in Scotland with a few in Wales.
It’s still British soil though and these are ideal places for them to keep a low profile but be available for deployment if needed.
The other thing to consider is that while we’ve heard a lot about these troops arriving on our soil, I’m wondering if anyone’s heard anything about when they’ll be leaving?
These Clowns have no idea of the mounting anger in the midlands and north and think they can ride roughshod over the ‘people’ as May condescendingly calls the voters, she and these idiots have no experience of real civil disorder, we have not had any since the early eighties despite what they and the children who write in the press and on the broadcast media think. If the grandsons and daughters of Tommy Atkins do decide to ‘kick off’ you will find that the London based ‘metro elite’ will be more than surprised to find that their rainbow , p.c, common purpose police force will be as useful as a chocolate tea pot in controlling it. They need to take a step outside the bubble and take a long hard look at themselves and think what they are doing. Many of the areas hit by disorder in the eighties still hold deep seated resentment. These clowns will continue in their quest to have their will if they force a civil disorder response they will do so at their peril, but of course Mrs May will not have that on her conscience either.
Tommy Atkins et al kick off – who he, really?
He is long gone either abroad or cowed by laws making his views illegal.
Most populous new born boys’ name is the variations of Mohammed.
Today I doubt if the equivalent Tommys – the Ali Khans; Mohammad Chakmas and Guptas will risk their benefit handouts, always assuming they would defend ‘their’ country.