Ignorant, obtuse, stupid, vacuous and foolish: that’s the Remain MPs, that’s Ms May and that’s the Remain MSM. Then there are the ever so clever turncoats who have wafted soft, intelligent arguments about Brexit over us every time they opened their mouths, be it in the HoC or on telly – I’m looking at you, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg, and at you, Mr Boris Johnson! You and your acolytes have told us for months how bad Ms May’s WA is – but now you will vote for it (here and here)?
Suddenly, within less than a week, we are supposed to believe that ‘No Deal’, which you lot maintained was always ‘better than a bad deal’, has become so terrible that Ms May’s despicable WA – the WA which you have denounced for months as a treaty to sell us out and into vassalage – is the only option? Really?
Mr Rees-Mogg’s ‘reasoning’ (see here) is that staying in the EU is worse than the WA deal. You couldn’t make it up! Why the fuss then? Why the hours and days of ‘debate’? Why didn’t you vote it through at the earliest opportunity?
Naive people like me would of course like to know what has changed your lofty minds! The prospect of a GE which you assume you’d lose should there be an extension? Or the shiny bauble of a possible resignation of Ms May when ‘her deal’ goes through? Are you really so gullible as to believe one word she says, after the years of her lies? Or are there now some secret protocols which convinced you to back her – but which we plebs must of course not be told about?
When there’s a major shift in the interpretation of a set piece, for example in science, the call alway is: ‘show us your workings’ so that we can follow your reasoning.
Politicians, especially those clever clogs, should now show us theirs: why has this WA, denounced all over the place since it was presented by Ms May, suddenly become the only game in town?
Were the debates about the Backstop, the arguments from the DUP all just smoke-and-mirrors, posturings for posterity? Were they a personal ‘Project Vanity’, for future use, to climb up the greasy pole to become PM?
This evening Ms May will meet the 1922 Committee where the backbench MPs will tell her that they will sell their souls, their promises to us, for a bowl of pottage and vote through her WA if only she will resign:
“The Prime Minister will attend a meeting of the 1922 Committee of backbench Conservative MPs where she will be pressed to announce she will be gone by the autumn. In return, “a lot” of Brexiteers would drop their opposition to her Brexit deal, giving her until Friday night to get it agreed before a deadline set by the EU.” (paywalled link)
One’s got to read carefully between the lines though to grasp some meaning, see here (same paywalled link):
“Some Eurosceptics will make it clear to her on Wednesday evening that the price they will extract from her for their support is her departure.”
So ‘some’ are now ‘a lot’? There’s more:
“Nigel Evans, the executive secretary of the 1922 Committee, said: “If the Prime Minister announces a timetable of departure, I think that’s going to swing a lot of people behind her deal, we could get it over the line. A number of Brexiteers are reluctant to support her deal because they think if it gets over the line she will say ‘look what I’ve achieved, I’m staying’. We need to know that she won’t be in Number 10 for the next phase of the negotiations […] If she doesn’t come out and say it, I think some MPs will directly ask her to name the date.” (paywalled link)
What makes those MPs think that she would keep her promise? Remember ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’?
Do the legal arguments of e.g. Mr Howe QC or of Sir Bill Cash not matter any longer? Those of you with good eyesight can read the letter sent yesterday by Sir Bill Cash and others here. But then again, that’s now seemingly irrelevant.
These little ‘news’ coming from the EU – have you turncoats pondered them in your wisdom and decided they’re negligeable? For example:
“The European Commission announced today it will withdraw two stations from the European satellite navigation system Galileo in the British Falklands and Ascension Isles. Brussels says the system cannot be located in a “third country” which the UK will become following its withdrawal from the European Union.” (link)
We’ve not yet even left the EU, according to the old timetable!
And what about the EU parliament just having passed the Law that kills the internet (link)? Oh, and lookit here:
“Guy Verhofstadt, the European parliament’s lead negotiator, said yesterday that he was “very pleased” that MPs had voted to take control of Brexit from the government. “Until now all the Commons votes have been against something. This is the first time that there is a vote for something, cross-party co-operation. We have long called for that.” (link, paywalled)
Why doesn’t that make your blood boil, Mr Rees-Mogg? And what of Kate Hoey MP’s question to the Speaker? Philip Johnson writes in the (paywalled) DT:
“Kate Hoey, the Brexit-supporting Labour MP, asked the Speaker: “[…] Does EU law overrule our Parliament?” Well, yes Kate. Is that not the issue here, one largely drowned out by a sterile argument over trading relationships, tariffs and chlorinated chickens? For most Brexit voters this whole business is about sovereignty.”
The Rees-Moggs, BoJos and other formerly oh-so-principled Brexiteers surely know that? Is this vital issue of our sovereignty now irrelevant because they need to cling to their cushy jobs as MPs – with a salary rise kicking in on April 1st …?
Andrew Lilico in the (paywalled) DT closes his coruscating article thus:
“Well, when I said May’s deal was worse than Remaining, what I meant was that May’s deal was worse than Remaining. […] And when I said MPs should vote down May’s deal and force our opponents to cancel Brexit, if they must, rendering themselves and their parties politically toxic, I meant that as well. The Spartan Whigs [Ed: the firm 30 or so Brexiteers who won’t vote for May’s Deal] are right. Defeat here, in the form of Brexit being cancelled, will empower our cause, not finish it. Vote down May’s deal, and let the deluge commence.”
Not that his advice will be heeded: sell-out is the motto of the day. But there will be a reckoning, and the allegedly ‘1 million remainers’ bussed into London last Saturday will not prevent it. Do read Kipling’s poem ‘The Beginnings’ again! The time is coming for civic unrest – which must be shrewd, witty and wily but non-violent.
Important video from Jeff Taylor
PS, quoting Jeff Taylor, ( 4;08): ” the Withdrawal Agreement Bill has not been published yet …probably because of the highly contentious nature of its contents! Maybe the PM’s worried that if the government did publish that bill, it would totally kill off her deal once the details were public? “
“UK Parliament Faces Crucial Question: What Kind Of Brexit Does It Want? ”
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-27/uk-parliament-faces-crucial-question-what-kind-brexit-does-it-want
What I find infuriating and most of the mainstream media never mentions, is that as we’re supposed to live in a democracy it’s not supposed to be about Parliament wants, it’s supposed to be about what the people want and we’ve told them what we want. I really feel that action against Parliament is perfectly justified, they’re out of control and not fit for purpose.
“Delingpole: This Isn’t the End of Brexit but the Beginning”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/27/remainer-establishment-has-scotched-brexit-not-killed-it/
Here’s the list of all amendments for today – the Speaker will announce, after 3 pm, which ones he’s chosen:
https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2019/03/the-sixteen-possible-brexit-options-tabled-for-this-evenings-indicative-votes.html
The speaker has chosen amendments B, D, H, J, K, L, M and O.
Amendment A the most important to my mind, requiring Parliament to respect the will of the people has not been selected by that little piece of shy*e Bercow.
So be it, all respect for Parliament from the people is now withdrawn. Parliament as a whole no longer represents the people and by opposing their wishes has become the traitorous enemy of the people.
Most Tory Leaver MPs have now decided to put party before country. They know if May’s Surrender Deal is rejected and there is long extension period, or Brexit is cancelled, or a new BRINO deal is agreed then they’ll be toast at the next election, so they’re willing to sell their country for a mess of pottage.
If they support the abomination of a Suicide and Surrender Treaty which is arguably worse than delays etc, they’ll be toast anyway, we’ll see to that.
The appalling, iniquitous, anti-democratic hypocracy of our disgraceful MPs sabotaging the people’s wise decision to Leave the EU illustrates very clearly the truth of Thomas Sowell’s observation:
‘There is nothing so good that politicians can’t make it bad; And nothing so bad that politicians can’t make it worse.’
https://independencedaily.co.uk/barbaric-police-repression-of-french-yellow-vests-may-says-yes-of-course-to-eu-cops-on-uk-soil/
is now closed for comments, and I have been fully tied-up.
Foreign police and army on British soil?
Winston Churchill had discreetly set up the Special Operations Executive (SOE) in 1940 to deal with fighting the Nazis in occupied territories in an “ungentlemanly” manner – asymmetric warfare.
He also set up an even more secretive wing to deal with the Nazis if they successfully invaded and occupied Britain – which nearly happened but for a series of underestimations and mistakes by the Krauts.
Their instructions as to how to fight, and what the priorities were, are noteworthy.
Especially for Chief Constables and other police and state apparatchiks – Churchill recognised they were were prime traitor material.
Just saying. It’s all in the history books, Commissioner Dick.
I still have the book my father was issued with during world war two full of instructions on how to deal will an occupying force, I never in my wildest dreams thought that one day it might come in useful but there you are I have a feeling it might. I abhor violence but I’d rather die fighting than watch my country be subjugated by these traitors within our midst, that might seem extreme but when you have no democracy what alternatives have people got.
It is all nonsense of course the final deal must have been agree before the Art 50 was sent. She has just been playing her part.
The thing I do not understand is Why and What for. What will the world have gained by 2050,or 3000,. that won’t have been lost getting it.
These are things that the super clever ( Hawkings,Einstein etc ) try to find before they die.. So what hope have our leaders got..
They don’t know…….. Nobody knows………….But what do they think they know ?
I put my trust in Rules of thumb ( Grannies sayings )
Toast falls buttered side down.
Supply and demand. ( Politicians don’t accept this.)
Expenditure grows to use up income.
The Peter principle..
What goes up must come down
99 % of everything is crap. ( Hot air )
Work expands to use the people available. Civil Service.
etc.etc.
I’ve posted this elsewhere but I’ll post it again to make sure it gets seen. If this withdrawal agreement gets through were f**k*d and it’ll be the greatest act of treason ever in our country. Westminster I’m convinced is now enemy territory.
No I’m not fooled by these people for one minute; the situation is very grave. The European Union has a history of undermining the sovereignty of its member countries and Britain will be no different. I don’t think there was ever any intention by the EU or the majority of our government to let us leave the EU, we’ve been very skillfully played.
What an evil traitor of a Prime Minister, she wasn’t negotiating, she simply went to Brussels for some fine food and wine only to return with a surrender agreement written by Merkel. Now our politicians after voting this agreement down are deciding that if Theresa May sets a date for her resignation, giving them a shot at her job, then they’ll vote for this evil and treacherous agreement, it’s suddenly a good idea. You couldn’t make this stuff up, our politicians are quite willing to sell us out if it’s in their own interests, we are the last people that matter.
The EU not only needs our money but it’s too close to getting its hands on our armed forces and nuclear arsenal, you didn’t really think that they were going to let an opportunity like this slip did you?
We don’t really have a government or opposition that is strong, cohesive or loyal enough to stand up to the EU anymore, both are in crisis and the EU are experts at exploiting situations like this. Mark my words; what we are witnessing is a coup, aided and abetted by traitors in our government.
With three thousand troops on standby and another ten thousand foreign troops, largely from EU countries due to arrive, the situation is dire indeed. I think the ballot box solution will be too little too late.
Our country will be very lucky if it is to ever have a meaningful general election ever again, we are in a drastic situation and it will require drastic solutions. I know this is hard to believe but I know that people were in a similar state of disbelief before the start of the first and second world wars.
Its not hard to believe Flyer, a MORI poll taken on Sept 1st 1939 showed that most did not believe a war with Germany would happen. and to be fair that generation having seen the results of the First Word War and the Depression hag good reason to hope. The generations following WW 2 in the main have never had it so good.
All crises afford opportunity and the EU referendum was no different. A huge opportunity to once and for all crush dissent against the onward march of the dismantling of the European nation states. The EU and British political class along with their accomplices in the MSM, academia, NGOs, public sector, charitable industrial sector, et al will take full advantage. Just imagine, successfyully overturning a democratic vote to leave the EU in the second biggest econony and contributor to the EU – no other group of politicians in any other EU country will ever allow another Remain/Leave referendum.
If committed leavers will not join UKIP now – then when?
I agree 100 % with Flyer’s analysis. I strongly suspect now that Mrs May, whom I’ve described as not a leader but a liaiser, has been complicit with the Brussels machine, and that has given her the drive and determination to follow through with what any sensible and sincere leader would have seen as a Very Bad Deal indeed. I thought her foolish, weak, naive, deluded as to her abilities and stubborn beyond belief. But now i think there is a method in all this madness and that keeping every one guessing , being peremptory, changing her mind, not communicating appropriately with Cabinet and others, ,etc, etc. is part of the devious attempts to discombobulate.
Then she delivers a bribe .’I will stand down if.you vote for my deal’.And if they don’t? Well, what would being PM mean to her any more anyway, if she has been attempting to give the EU rather than the UK what it wants all along? She should have said ‘I will stand down because it is the honourable thing to do’. She should have stood down anyway when she lost the first meaningful vote.
Manipulative, mendacious, Machiavellian May. God help us.
Interesting really. We now know what it was like to be steamrollered by the British Raj, have our wealth redistributed to Britain and to a few hundred local bootlikkers and administraters. Positions that will be bitterly fought for by ex MPs and Civil Servants alike. Remainers and Leavers both alike will suffer.
If you want to read the Rees-Mogg apology for why he’s doing what he’s doing, go here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6853609/JACOB-REES-MOGG-Im-ready-Theresa-Mays-deal.html
It’s full of lofty waffle and industrial-strength ‘regret’, but leaves of course unanswered the question why this abomination is better now than it was a week or two months ago.
Indeed, his personal Surrender Treaty is as you described, Viv.
I have written an Open Letter to Jacob Rees-Mogg, in a rhythm to which he can relate, and I trust it will soon appear in independencedaily.
I am now writing one to Boris Johnson, in a rhythm better suited to him. Please publicise that too.
Thanks,
It seems that even Brexiteer Tories now believe that the ‘chose’ is between May’s WA ‘deal’ and the Letwin/Boles/Cooper ‘deal’, whatever that will be – see Paul Goodman in Conhome this morning:
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/03/our-view-of-mays-deal.html
The Whitehall mandarins have carefully leaked info from the Cabinet meetings Monday and yesterday, portraying the Ministers as belly-aching about what to do so as not to lose too many Local elections .. and that same attitude is now informing the Tory grassroots.
Why they cannot grasp that a No Deal/WTO Brexit would solve all those problems is beyond me.
> Why they cannot grasp that a No Deal/WTO Brexit would solve all those problems is beyond me.
And it jolly well should be beyond you, since you are generally sane.
They grasp the matter perfectly adequately.
Their difficulty is plausibly pretending they don’t.
This is more treachery and High Treason than it is folly, weakness and incompetence,
Todays events will show that not only do we have a Democracy In Name Only (DINO) we also have a Parliament In Name Only (PINO). The dictionary definition of Parliament is, “The highest legislature”. As EU law takes precedence over UK law the EU is the highest legislature making our Parliament obsolete. That’s unless we leave of course. Our sovereignty has been, and still is, being sold in exchange for the privilege of trading with the EU. Obviously remain supporters and MP’s are quite happy to be ruled by, and vassals to, “The United States of Europe”. The betrayal is almost complete.
why should we want to trade with the eu ? its too dam dear they raise all prices then add tarrif s to goods from outside
Some of the consequences of this will be: paying the- sky’s- the limit for EU army and thug force to slap us down, totalitarian criminal “justice” system, EU dictating the number of migrants we take per UN Global Migration Compact, our country that we built up asset stripped to bale out EU financial disasters.Wonderful.
“… withdraw two stations from the European satellite navigation system Galileo in the British Falklands and Ascension Isles.”
FUEU! We’ll use the American system in the interim, keep our armed forces and our nukes, keep our seat in the UN, raise money by imposing tariffs on EU imports, lower our taxes, get rid of the Tories, make Britain boom again …
Michael, Sorry but the military has already signed up to the deal for integration, that’s why it’s not being talked about. Get ready for the tax rises and conscription. The e.u won’t be so wonderful then either.
Campaign for Independent Britain (Spring Newsletter) have pointed out that some of the military agreements could be legally challenged on basis of HoC Scrutiny Reserve Resolution 17/11/1998 as this has been by- passed by the Govt I dont know whether anything was done about this?
PS To refresh memory here is really good summary of what we’re getting into militarily:
https://campaignforanindependentbritain.org.uk/eu-military-structures-despite-brexit/
PS This too
https://campaignforanindependentbritain.org.uk/category/defence/
Do the ordinary card carrying Brexiteer Conservative members need any more proof that their party is fully committed to remaining in the EU?
Dear! Oh Dear! when will they learn that the ideological and corporate interests of the Conservative Party Plc to create the new European Superstate is paramount and has been for 80 years.
“It is as well to state this at the outset – no government dependent on a democratic vote could possibly agree in advance to the sacrifices which any adequate plan for European Union must involve. The people must be led slowly and unconsciously into the abandonment of their traditional economic defences……. No satisfactory economic plan for Europe can be devised without sacrifice of sovereignty by the nations concerned.” – Peter Thorneycroft, former Tory MP June 1947 (Posts held; Chancellor of the Exchequer, Chief Whip, Secretary of State for Defence, Party Chairman)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thorneycroft
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-lord-thorneycroft-1420748.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/07/25-years-maastricht-treaty-conservative-wounds-finally-healing/ Article by Ian Duncan Smith 7th Feb 2017
Well done all those who pig headedly voted Tory, while calling us kippers nutters and racists. Told ya so.
Or as I overheard heard this morning, ‘ I voted leave, but I feel so sorry for May not that I’m a fan, but she was dumped in the job by Cameron, and never had a chance really’ And there you have it, information reasoning and talking is just not worth the effort with these people, animal farm indeed just leave them to the BBC and MSM.
I too have met many who ‘feel sorry for May’.
Response:
Her political machine smeared Leadsome; May took the top job voluntarily; installed a cabinet of 15 remainers to five leavers; and now shall not get us out of the common market. And you feel sorry for HER?
In the amateur league compared with a little beauty (young, male) who said to a UKIP stall in Dorking “I wish I had a bag of shit between my hands so I could burst it in your faces.” Ignorant swine, he’ll deserve all he gets.
That’s the level of much of the population I’m afraid, I wonder who their role models are 🙂
MPs.