(Note: this article is overlong. I make no excuses because I am quoting at length from important articles which are behind paywalls and thus not accessible to most readers.)
Yesterday presented us voters with another HoC spectacle. This time it was to debate and vote on the Corbyn motion of No Confidence. I watched it so you didn’t have to, and compared to the day before, when Ms May was so soundly trounced in the HoC on her WA Deal, it was horrible. From the non-stop accusations levelled at May’s Government one got the impression that “The People” were suffering in direst poverty, and that only Labour were able to rescue “The People” while Ms May and her lot kept everybody in chains and rags, eating grass. So what had this blatant electioneering got to do with Brexit?
This: according to Labour, the Government must ensure that there will be no “No Deal Brexit”. Given the support from the SNP and some Tory Remainers, and given the volume of noise in the Chamber, it seemed that a “No Deal Brexit” would be the worst thing to happen, ever, and that both sides of the House will do all they can to stop it.
Ms May, in her speech after the vote, invited ‘all sides’ to ‘come together’, offering talks with opposition Party leaders, starting that evening. Corbyn refused to participate unless she were to guarantee that a “No Deal Brexit” will be off the table. (See here and here). She then said she’d present a plan to the House this coming Monday. Well, we now have an inkling of what this Plan will entail: some sort of delay if not a whole rescinding of Article 50.
Ms May has made many reassuring noises about ‘delivering Brexit’ for “The People” (see e.g. here) but as always: don’t listen to the speeches, watch what she does. If ‘nothing is ruled out’, let’s see what is ruled in: the blatant disregard for our vote to Leave by the crafty attempt to destroy the WTO deal, i.e. “No Deal” Brexit, even though this is what Parliament voted for when consenting to the triggering of Article 50.
Here’s how they, under the guidance of Philip Hammond, Chancellor of the Exchequer, are going to do it. Hammond prepared the ground by having a conference call with “Leaders of Industry” on Tuesday evening, after ”That Vote”. (See here and here). The DT – who has the leaked transcript of that call – reports:
“Philip Hammond told business leaders that the “threat” of a no-deal Brexit could be taken “off the table” within days and potentially lead to Article 50 “rescinded”, a leaked recording of a conference call reveals. […] He suggested that ministers may even back the plan when asked for an “assurance” by the head of Tesco that the Government would not oppose the motion. He claimed next week’s Bill, which could force the Government to extend Article 50, was likely to win support and act as the “ultimate backstop” against a no-deal Brexit, as a “large majority in the Commons is opposed to no deal under any circumstances”. (source)
Using a backbench amendment – and the Speaker has opened the doors to such deal last week – Brexit can be scuppered, coldly:
“A recording of the call, passed to The Daily Telegraph, recounts how the Chancellor, Greg Clark, the Business Secretary, and Stephen Barclay, the Brexit Secretary, spent nearly an hour talking to the leaders of 330 leading firms. They included the heads of Siemens, Amazon, Scottish Power, Tesco and BP, all of whom warned against no deal. The disclosure reveals the close nature of the relationship between the Treasury and some of Britain’s biggest businesses, and how they appear to be working in tandem to block a hard Brexit. […] Mr Hammond assured the business leaders that the Government would stop spending money on no-deal preparations “as soon as we know we are not going there” and give businesses “a resumption of normal service.”(source) (My bold)
Mr Hammond said:
“Could we extend the Article 50 deadline to give us more time? The simple answer is that the EU would not consider the request for the extension … unless or until we have a clear plan to go forward. The sequence has to be first to reach out to opinion across the Commons to establish the terms on which we can build a majority for a way forward. If necessary [we] go back to the EU to agree changes that are necessary to deliver that consensus. And at that time, if more time is going to be required, to negotiate that with the EU.” (source)
The Telegraph correctly points out in their editorial that The Hammond phone call shows Parliament could commit a great betrayal. The DT editors write:
“But the principal opponent of leaving without a deal, as he has been all along, is Philip Hammond, the Chancellor. As the transcript of his discussion with business leaders that we publish this evening makes clear, he is prepared to say what Mrs May so far has been unwilling to say – that a no-deal exit will be thwarted and a delay to the UK’s departure from the EU is likely. Indeed, given the Government’s woeful failure to prepare for no deal, an extension to Article 50 looks inevitable. Dozens of legislative measures would be needed which cannot get through Parliament in the time left.”(source)
They continue:
“One reason there have been inadequate preparations is that the Treasury refused for months to countenance such an outcome and only pledged more money reluctantly and belatedly. […] (He) said the Government would not put up any “obstacles” to a plan championed by Nick Boles, a former minister, whereby the Commons liaison committee would oversee attempts to find a way out of the political morass. Mr Hammond said the Boles proposal was the ‘‘ultimate backstop’’ against no deal, indicating that the Treasury’s main objective is to assuage concerns of business rather than address the wishes of the general public.” (source) (my bold)
The conclusion of the DT editors is chilling:
“(Hammond) is reconciled to a strategy that effectively hands over control of the key domestic policy of modern times to MPs. […] After two and a half years, Plan B is to let Parliament take over. At least it is a plan; but is Parliament capable of delivering on the referendum result, or is this the start of a great betrayal of that vote?” (source)
And where is the EU in all this?
Ms Merkel tells Ms May to come up with a new plan (but … didn’t they say yesterday there won’t be any negotiations any longer?) while the Taoiseach is frit of a “No Deal” (see here). Then we have Mister EU, M Barnier, who
‘warned the EU had never been so worried about the prospect of a damaging “No Deal” but he added the door was still open for a closer relationship with the bloc. “If the UK chooses to shift its red lines in the future, and it makes that choice, a choice to be ambitious, and go beyond a simple free trade agreement, which would be quite something, then the European Union will be immediately ready to go hand in hand with that development and to give a favourable response,” said Mr Barnier.”(source).
Oh yes – we believe that nice, helpful Mr EU, of course we do! However, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (AEP), writing in the DT, relates the actual reason why Barnier, Merkel, Big Business, Hammond and the rest are so adamant in their opposition to our WTO Brexit:
“While Europe’s leaders have been distracted imposing their economic settlement on Britain, the world has been imposing its economic settlement on them. A crisis has crept up on the EU. Whether or not they fully understand the financial forces at work – and they did not in 2008 or 2011 – some must be wondering whether the eurozone can endure the shock of a ‘no-deal’ Brexit in these circumstances – at least of the kind that entails a rupture in trade flows, and if it entails no such rupture then Project Fear is shown to be an empty threat. […] For the first time since the Brexit saga began the EU side faces the consequences of its own maximalist strategy. It misread British democracy, thinking it enough to stitch up a weak Prime Minister. Few ever imagined that the Meaningful Vote would be turned against them.” (source) (my bold)
Just so! And AEP concludes:
“With the exception of the Dutch, perhaps, the EU is not remotely prepared for a cliff-edge divorce in 10 weeks. The Commission’s contingency plan for a no-deal scenario is mostly political theatre, an instrument of negotiation pressure. Brussels, Berlin, and Paris suddenly confront an economic threat that they never took seriously and could all too easily spin out of control.” (source)
I couldn’t agree more, as I’ve already pointed out yesterday: the EU is in a trap of their own making. Moreover, this is why Hammond is reassuring the same Big Business leaders who are famous for lobbying Brussels non-stop. This is how and why they want to betray Brexit.
As for all those who now think a GE is the best way forward, they better think again: Public respect for Parliament has plummeted following the Westminster paralysis over Brexit, a damning opinion poll has revealed.
Inform your MP that he or she will lose their cushy job should they fall for Hammond’s, Big Business and the EU’s ruse and deny us the WTO Brexit: they will not get reelected. They demanded ‘humility’ from Ms May in yesterday’s debate, that she must listen to them, the MPs. So tell them they must first show humility to us, who employ and pay them.
We however will never forget the contempt and disdain they all have show us, continuously, since we voted to Leave in 2016.
It does look as if the result of the referendum vote is in the throes of being betrayed. This is the result of vested interests and a deep-seated arrogance amongst our political elite, who know that, under our electoral system, the people are driven to return these parties to their respective positions, because there can be no material, or alternative choice; or can there be?
The gamble is that, when push comes to shove, votes will still fall predominantly for the two main parties, and they will take their chances. Moreover, as the Labour party is unelectable, the terror of a Corbyn government will focus minds and those that do vote will do so out of a sense of self preservation. Politicians do not care how big the turnout is, just that they get the lion’s share of it. Even a turnout of 25% would still result in a full parliament.
The many small parties that have been formed, stand no chance at all, particularly as they will be fighting each other over the scraps of votes they’ll collect. People don’t vote for manifestos, no matter how good they are, but they may vote for revenge and they may vote for independents who broadly meet their general political concerns.
Please check out https://coalitionofindependents.org It’s a new idea, just getting off the ground, but such a move does have the potential to materially affect the next general election. We need support and helpers with a range of skills. To set an Independent conservative candidate against a Conservative Party candidate and an independent labour candidate against the Labour Party candidate, will give all those furious and disgruntled voters an opportunity to register their disgust in a manner that will really count.
We can only change things at the ballot box, so we ned to present an acceptable alternative to do this.
They are indirectly criminally interfering with the votes cast at the ballot box. Elected members who are interfering should face criminal charges.The public voted to leave or remain not for their local or somebody else’s MP. You would be right to question the minimal education standards of a vast amount of MP’s.
Voting is a peaceful way of resolving differences, in place of violence. Democratic voting makes peaceful life possible. But the British establishment has clearly decided to overrule the result of the Referendum vote on the 23rd June 2016. They have blocked the peaceful road to our national liberation.
Fraud failed the British establishment in the 2016 Referendum, and so they lost. Now they have chosen to use force rather than fraud, and to use the European Gendarmerie Force to suppress democracy in Britain. They are confident that they will win the civil war in Britain that they have made inevitable.
What happened was that I posted this comment before and it didn’t appear in the list. So I sent it in again twice and now it is in the list three times. Vivian has explained to me that the website is run entirely by volunteers who have other jobs to do, so that is why it can take a while for comments to be posted. I didn’t know that, I’m sorry.
I don’t know much about UKIP, but I do know that it is the only party that wants to honour democracy by fulfilling the wishes of the 17,410,742 people who voted Leave on the 23rd June 2016. If that Referendum result is suppressed by the British establishment, then peaceful means of achieving our national liberation will probably have been exhausted. I fear the eventual consequence of that suppression of democracy.
https://www.facebook.com/Fight4Brexit/videos/753245628392373/?t=7
Move Over Jake Bugg!!
Absolutely Brilliant!!!
Perfect UKIP Anthem.Grenetc is fun too. WE could use the predatory hedgehog as a logo. Lovely
Voting is a peaceful way of resolving our differences, that is why democracy makes peaceful life possible. But the British establishment has clearly decided to overrule the result of the Referendum vote on the 23rd June 2016. If the vote goes the wrong way for them, they now suppress the result.
Fraud failed them in the 2016 Referendum, in spite of their massive support from the BBC, which is why they lost. So now they have chosen to use force rather than fraud, which is where the European Gendarmerie Force comes in handy.
All MP s have suddenly gone crazy hysterical about the appalling terrifying ‘ No Deal ‘. that I heard one twit call ‘cataclysmic ‘.
One earnest young man,impeccably dressed and spoken, assured me ernestly that manufacturing would stopand be disrupted for weeks.. After explaining to him that I was an engineer that had run many manufacturing firms and that nothing would be affected and that talking about Supply chains and jit just proved his lack of understanding anything, and he shouldn’t listen to union leaders, or socialists., as they were not like him, but, had a totally different axe to grind and were promoting trouble.. It is all nonsense….
Just go to work the next working day , and file next to millenium bug.
I couldn’t understand why so many politicians want to insist ‘NO Deal’ is taken off the table. Without the threat of a ‘No Deal’ Brexit we are not going to get a decent deal from the EU, why would they? But now I get it – take ‘no deal’ off the table is just them trying to scupper Brexit totally while trying to pass it off as ‘in our best interests’. With very few exceptions our political class are evil scum – why would we ever want them in power again?. The whole system needs to be cleared out, including that prime piece of scum Bercow.
Having said the above, why on earth is Corbyn wanting ‘no deal’ taken off the table? He is a long time hater of all things EU, surely he would want to leave without a deal, and if not that he would want a good deal. He can’t suddenly become a Europhile because it goes against all his instincts yet at the same time has to keep his party happy and also he desperately wants to topple the government and become our next PM. A very difficult path to tread and avoid boxing himself into a corner. Or, Is he just an idiot?
Voting is a peaceful way of resolving differences in Britain or anywhere else, that is why democracy is a peaceful way of life. But if the result of the Referendum vote is overruled, then that peaceful means of resolving our differences will have been exhausted.
The British establishment clearly wants to overrule the Referendum result by the use of force, seeing that fraud failed it in the Referendum campaign. That is what the European Gendarmerie Force is there for.
Where is UKip and/or Leave Means Leave ???
In respect of UKIP a question I have asked many times. GB has some good things to say but has been blacklisted by the media following his ill-advised association with TR. The war against Islam is a necessary one but has to be set aside for a hopefully short period until we are out of the EU.
I wish to god I knew. I think they may have made a fleeting appearance on RT.
We have to assume that our highly effective press and media coverage has gone into high gear and covered all media opportunities. Probably with speeches.
Gerard has been interviewed by RT but the other MSM don’t want to interview him, haven’t seen much of Nigel either.
Nigel was on stage on the evening of 17th in a venue in Westminster along with Ian Duncan Smith, Kate Hoey, Lord Rocco Forte, Ester McVey and that Martin chap who owns Witherspoons with Leave means Leave. A large assembly of Brexiteers. Seen any comments about it in the MSM? No, me neither. You can view it on Youtube under Leave means Leave. The evil establishment in this country are absolutely determined that Brexit will be overturned. They asked your opinion in a fake show of democracy, they didn’t want the reply you gave. They lied when they said they would act on the result. Now they are refusing to accept your answer and are doing everything they can to overturn the result. Traitors who want to stay on the EU gravy train, all in it for their own power & glory, and f— you! They deserve the stocks and rotten fruit & veg lobbed at them. Perhaps we should mob rush Westminster and pull out those prime targets like Hammond, Rudd, Soubry, Bercow – dozens of them for serious humiliation since the legal democratic ways have seriously failed us.
This is a very good point and impacts on us here in Rutland. I’ve set up a FB Page – it was ‘Rutland 4 Brexit’ but after realising the obvious truth that I was only attracting one side of the argument, I changed it to Rutland Brexit Debate https://www.facebook.com/groups/548835842280180/ and we now have an active and healthy dialogue going on with contributors from both sides of the argument as well as plenty of Don’t Knows. As UKIP Parliamentary Campaign Manager in 2015, I campaigned hard against Alan Duncan and UKIP had their best showing here ever – nearly 9000 votes and moved for the first time ever to second place, beating both Labour and the Lib-Dems. Now the Lib-Dems here are not a bad lot… Deluded of course 🙂 but not bad and I’ve floated the idea with them that if we were to put a strong pro Rutland pro Brexit INDEPENDENT candidate up and they were to put up a strong pro Rutland pro Leave Lib Dem candidate up, bearing in mind the voting in the Referendum and the change in the local demography we might, between us, might just manage to get rid of Duncan as our MP. The point I’m coming to – and I say this with sadness because although I left UKIP nearly two years ago, I have much respect for and am personal friends with local Kippers, one of whom is on the UKIP NEC, I couldn’t countenance a UKIP candidate because the brand is just too toxic now and very few would vote for them (in 2017 the UKIP vote share had dropped from 8678 to 1869…). This is because following on from failing to capitalise on the great work that had been done in 2015 and 2016 and squandering all the political capital and national goodwill they’d built up following the 2015 GE and 2016 Referendum they managed to make themselves look farcical, a bad joke and certainly not a party to take seriously with, amongst other errors in judgement, the stupid punch-up in Brussels and the farce of the Stoke By-Election (the tipping point for me personally) and now they’re well on the way to making themselves look racist , whatever the justification, to boot. I see only two ways forward – the rise of Independents or a Conservative Party split that makes a new home for those of us who refuse to take the globalist view and genuinely care about our people and our country. Discuss! 🙂
‘Racist’? How has Ukip become racist? Have you been to Rutland Water at the weekend in the last few years? It has almost been colonised by a dangerous religion, very visible and very keen to make its presence felt. To oppose its very many undesirable elements is not racist but realist.
I like your thinking. People need a group that doesn’t carry the baggage. The LibLabCon Party have got to go. Understand your sentiments about LibDems in Rutland. Tribalism will not solve the problem. It is not a problem of people it is a problem of the Party leaders and their lackeys, plus indoctrination. The LibDems for me are a big disappointment as they could have actually stood for those values. But they never have, and the ‘gang of four’ were Fabians, probably sent on a mission. So they were always a vehicle for Socialists imho.
I don’t do social media but did join up once. Will now start-up that account to spread the link you put above. Would suggest everyone will do the same. Good luck.
I could have sworn she said, “No deal is better than a bad deal”. Silly me.
Most people have forgotten what a fine’ job the motorcycling Sec of State/ Minister for transport did when he was going to take on the e.u over the shambles created here with motorcycle test centres, But then……. Most people seem to have forgotten what a fine’ job May did as Home Sec’. If these people are the best any party can offer then god help us, the scenes in the house last night were an absolute disgrace more akin to hooligans in the crowd at a football match than a serious debate in the ‘house’ . Since when did government minister ‘talk’ to anyone about government intentions and get away with it, and people laugh at the idea of a ‘deep state.
Is it to much to ask when the masses will wake up?
TV, watching sports, soaps etc. – many don’t seem to inhabit the real world and are not interested. Add to that the indoctrination of kids/ young adults at school and university and we face a huge problem. Of course others who might be minded to fight back are too busy earning a living. All living for today rather than seeking a better tomorrow.
It’s called ‘Bread & Circuses’ – a globalist policy – keep the proles fed and amused and they won’t notice what the ‘elitist’ bunch of chancers and shysters are up to. Notice the proliferation of crap reality shows on TV, betting outlets and crap take-away outlets aimed at the lowest common denominator. Oh, and don’t bother clearing up crime on our streets, let them carry on destroying each other.
A relevant post on FreeNations:
http://freenations.net/brexit-full-steam-ahead-mays-criminal-enterprise-thwarted
“Indeed it is impossible even outside jail to do any deal with the EU without great strength and ruthless determination. To act in other words as the EU has acted!”
That is the way it has to be, it is just a matter of putting the right people in place who will do just that.
Yet another Petition for HMG to ignore: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/224908?fbclid=IwAR1yKTy4HQ86cTBUwz2IKwWhA5kmqHeQJEqMmjtK8jZrj7tvQNb-pJ1gl1Q
“Inform your MP that he or she will lose their cushy job should they fall for Hammond’s, Big Business and the EU’s ruse and deny us the WTO Brexit: they will not get reelected. They demanded ‘humility’ from Ms May in yesterday’s debate, that she must listen to them, the MPs. So tell them they must first show humility to us, who employ and pay them.”
This would be a great idea if we didn’t have Alan Duncan (I refuse to use his title as I don’t believe he has done anything to deserve his knighthood). The ‘life-long Eurosceptic’ fond of telling UKIP candidates here that there was no point in standing (and splitting his vote) as he was no friend of the EU – who had a Road To Damascus moment in 2016 and decided he was a Remainer after all and advised Rutlanders to follow his lead… We didn’t…He’s well known locally for sitting on the fence on every important local issue, only popping up to get his photo taken. With careerists like him in the HoC, sitting on unassailable marjorities – writing is a waste of time and usually just results in a pro-forma response from one of his assistants.
Mind you – it’s Rutlanders generally, I blame. If they weren’t so politically apathetic (as the Tories know well) then we might have a better MP and a better Council Chamber…
Why all the fuss about leaving the EU with no deal on WTO terms?
Since 1973 the UK balance of trade with the EEC/EU on EU terms to 2017 is a deficit of over £1.639 trillion.
Since 1973 the UK balance of trade on WTO terms with the rest of the world to 2017 is a surplus of £477 billion.
BRING ON LEAVING THE EU ON WTO TERMS!
when we wre illegaly jpined by Heath we had a national debt of 285 million now if you use it all that they have moved is over 2 Trillion and all down to the brussels. Don’t forget the new tax and vat coming in from them its going to be eu wide and if we are still attached and do what she wants follow eu laws its for life
Anyone heard of the Common Transit Convention? Perhaps readers who know about trade and business might look it up and determine if it affects the way we could trade with others. It was agreed in 2018 I’m told and we were signatories.
Yes, I’ve heard of this, and it was referenced in some documents we were sent at work by both Amazon and DHL as part of the “what businesses need to do to prepare for No-Deal Brexit” pack:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-remain-in-common-transit-convention-after-brexit
It is a myth that we need a ‘deal’ with the EU in order to maintain ‘frictionless trade’, as we will continue to stay in this convention even in the event of a ‘no-deal Brexit’.
I can confirm that it’s a set of agreed instructions for Border force and Manufacturers to impress everyone about No Deal. being prepared for. Basically it is nonsense.
The only information needed for a smooth No Deal, is a fixed immovable date.
Viv, our deepest gratitude to you for this brilliant professional report.
Further evidence of the deliberate deception and anti-UK actions taken by May during the “negotiations” are now revealed by Steve Baker MP, former Brexit Minister when he spoke to Sky News yesterday 16 January 2019:—
He explained that “he and other ministers at the Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU) had agreed on an approach last summer and told officials they wanted a free trade agreement-based Brexit, and that “within weeks” the EU had made a corresponding offer.”
Steve Baker MP went on to say ““But the reason why [then-Secretary of State for Brexit] David Davis and I had to resign is that unfortunately the officials of the Prime Minister worked around ministers in the department responsible to come up with this ridiculous half-in, half-out plan, and that is the heart of our difficulties,”
In October 2018 Donald Tusk President of the European Council said “From the very beginning, the EU offer has been a Canada+++ deal,” Donald Tusk wrote on Twitter on Thursday. https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1047825916905357312
“From the very beginning, the EU offer has been a Canada+++ deal. Much further-reaching on trade, internal security and foreign policy cooperation. This is a true measure of respect. And this offer remains in place. #brexit”.
These statements prove without a shadow of doubt that the Prime Minister has been lying to the British Public and cheating the UK all through the negotiations. I remember David Davis Secretary of State for Exit at the time telling the Parliamentary Select Committee that he confidently expected that he would be able to negotiate a Canada+++ type deal. We now know that his sensible, realistic objective, that had already been offered by the EU was rejected by May, who overrode her Ministers.
This disgraceful conduct is surely enough to justify “impeachment” or something of the sort and needs to be pursued vigorously. Impeachment was a British legal procedure which has fallen in to disuse but it could be recovered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_(British_politics)
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/foi/foi-and-eir/commons-foi-disclosures/other-house-matters/impeachment-2015/
What is UKIP going to do about this great opportunity to bring immediate pressure on May and the Government to stop cheating the UK people and to get this offer of Canada+++ back into the debate and the Negotiations???
“Much further-reaching on trade, internal security and foreign policy cooperation”
Trade: OK. The other two are not acceptable and we can do without them.
You are probably right, Jack, that those topics might by unacceptable to the UK in the form that the EU want. However, this was to be negotiated.
To me, the surprising thing to discover is that the EU were far more prepared to negotiate from a realistic starting point,(Canada) and to extend that basis of agreement (+++) than had been disclosed to the British Public. We were lied to about the true negotiating stance of the EU which, it is now revealed by Baker MP, was much closer to UK requirements and indeed much more flexible.
We need an explanation from the PM as to why the offered Canada+++ Deal was rejected. I doubt she has any justifiable or believable case. The British Public should be riled with fury about the PM’s unacceptable behaviour.
Why has she produced her appalling WA when Canada+++ was available all the time?
And, according to Tusk, today, he says it is still on the table!! To say her WA was/is the only deal available is an outright lie. No other way to put it.
Action should be prosecuted against May and, perhaps, Canada+++ should be resurrected so that we may compare its suitability versus WTO rules. Only if that can be done within the next few weeks. Exit under WTO should now be unstoppable.
“And, according to Tusk, today, he says it is still on the table!!”
Then why does the EU keep saying that there can be no re-negotation of the WA. We are being lied to by them ALL.
Isn`t it possible to have this “urgent “question answered directly in parliament and for May to be required to be brought before parliament to answer it FORTHWITH
I am convinced that something of the sort should be possible and actually is necessary. I think Leave supporters would be more than happy to crowdfund some competent constitutional lawyers. I wonder if any of the Leave campaigns have it in mind to do when this debacle is over or especially if it becomes worse. AfD want to prosecute A. Merkel.
A quid each from 17.4m Leavers should more than cover it
I quite agree Eliza. I certainly would be prepared to put in a bit. And it should be the UKIP hierarchy who is organising this – it wouldn’t take much doing. But where are they?
Just to let you know that the SOUTHPORT UKIP branch is still up and running. Ann
Correct George. No good blaming the EU. Right from the start the EU handed the UK a Canada +++ deal.
Yes, we know the EU is undemocratic but they have been fairer and more open in their dealings with the UK than our MPs have been with their own people.
The Tories will never leave the EU willingly and cleanly. The EU is their baby, they spawned it and nutured it.
Only the electorate can deliver a clean Brexit by through rejection of Remainers at the ballot box.
Bring on a general eleciton – we have little to loose in our fight to deliver Brexit.
At Monday’s Bruges Group meeting, a social occasion more than anything as there are drinks and nibbles afterwards, I was struck by how complacent the speakers were. As with other recent meetings, the speeches were just forms of virtue signalling. No-one had a plan for what to do over the country’s greatest crisis in democracy since Cromwell. Equally, no politician seemed fully aware that their failure was dangerous.
I’m going to a Leave Means Leave meeting tonight. I fear it will be no different to the Bruges Group. A lot of ‘aint it awful but no concrete suggestions about how to change the relentless progress of Remain. Still, I expect to bump into old friends and there is a good pub nearby for afterwards.
The Leave side consists of fragmented, uncoordinated and disorganised groups many of whom are splinters from one another. Opposition to Remain is completely ineffective unless and until it acquires some charismatic leadership and assorted egos, currently putting self-indulgence before country, overcome their pride for the greater good and unite.
Stout,
Hopefully we will see your report on the LML meeting in ID soon…
Perhaps Ukip can unite the various groups as per George’s suggestion above of impeachment. If word gets out that action is in the air, a WTO Brexit might materialise out of it.
Many of us have known this from the day Mrs May refused to sack philip Hammond way back at Christmas 2016. We also knew that she herself is complicit in the betrayal.
My question is, do they really understand the total fall out that will be created by this betrayal? This isn’t just the UK. It is Europe too. The rest of the world is moving away from socialist protectionist government. The citizens of Europe are as angry as the citizens of the UK. Many countries will see the utter betrayal of the world’s most respected democracy and it will create fear and loathing throughout the world.
Europe will fall as predicted by many commentators. What happens to these instigators of that implosion. Do they really think they will walk away with their pockets full. They won’t. They will be caught up in the mayhem and perhaps the violence. It could be that they themselves will be the first to feel the wrath of an angry people.
They have created so much division and for the first time in hundreds of years, citizens all over Europe are talking of guillotines, bombs, assassination. When this rhetoric starts to grow, law and order go out of the window and civil war erupts. Do we really want this to Happen??
If the few good politicians do not get together and put their country before their party the whole of Europe will go up in flames.
It is no good contacting our MPs. The time has gone. Hundreds of thousands of letters and emails are constantly being sent and all we get is a Downing street computed reply. Many of our MPs don’t even open the emails. We need to push for a general election and ceselect the traitors. We as a nation need to vote for anyone but the those at present in Westminster. Even the likes of JRM and Steve Baker are part of this problem now. Our petitions get ignored. Our voices get drowned out by propaganda. We are in the most dangerous situation that a country could be in. If we lose our vote we lose our freedom and our voice.
“Do we really want this to Happen??”. No we do not!
Are we prepared to take this course of action?
What else apart from capitulation is there if our democratic voice is removed from us.
I suspect that Phillip Hammond has been the chief Conservative Party strategist to de-rail Brexit all along.
Thank you once again for this sterling effort Viv. As I wrote elsewhere I am fed up the teeth of this “No Deal” caper. We already have a deal in place for the 30 March, the same deal that we have with the real world outside the EU: WTO rules. Of course the not unreasonable tariffs under those rule will hurt the EU far more owing to our favourable, in that circumstance, trade balance with them.
Thanks, Jack – it’s staggering how we’re being betrayed, and I have again got to thank the DT who has published stuff from anonymous Whitehall sources and now this leaked transcript.
We suspected that Hammond was stymieing the preparations for the WTO deal, and now we have it from the horse’s mouth.
AEP’s article on the EU economic difficulties shows why they all want us to stay in …
You are absolutely correct Jack. We do already have a WTO deal and it works better than EU rules. We already buy and sell to the world using WTO so where is this Idiotic cliff edge horror they believe in with religious fervour..
I believe Soros should be charged with starting up and feeding a religious war.
They’re right of course.
We’re too stupid to run an efficient concentration camp system, or to be trusted with a referendum . Or to free ourselves from slavery./ EU