Forget if you can all the nonsense that has gone on this past week. Forget that the fact that the MPs elected on our behalf have made our votes redundant and vacated.
What has caught my attention this week is the place itself – the Palace of Westminster. I used to look forward to the weekly questions levelled at the Prime Minister. I thought it was pure theatre that only us Brits could do. I thought often of the Americans, the French, and Brussels and how their parliaments are so sterile. Ours by comparison is unconventional, British and eccentric, and very good. Well not any more. Those rose-tinted spectacles have firmly disappeared in a sombre full-in-the-face punch of reality.
First thing to note is that there are not even enough seats for them all. They stand or sit on stairs, just hang around the Speaker’s chair or stand, often 10 deep, at the entrance. They jostle and do a dance of sorts to get in the chamber. How ridiculous is that in the modern-day era. The place where our laws are made, the place where our lives are steered and changed. Those we charge with doing this cannot even all sit down.
On Wednesdays to get a seat for the questions segment they must be there first thing in the morning to put their names down on the seats to reserve a place. If you miss you lose. Also, you cannot ask someone to save a seat for you, no, you must be in attendance there yourself.
Then, to get a question and not just at Prime Ministers questions you must stand up and sit down, stand up and sit down after each question is asked in order to just try and get the Speaker’s eye. If, of course, by any chance you are out of favour, you just simply will not get called. It doesn’t matter the gravity of your problem to which you are seeking an answer; if he ain’t looking your way you are not getting a chance.
How can that be right and proper in this day and age? How can this one person, the Speaker, weald so much power over so many issues and so many lives? What of the current Speaker? He calls to order the House and gathering MPs. He shouts and barks his command with a gusto that would do a drill sergeant justice. He also gets to tell MPs, many of them distinguished Queen’s Council or business men and women, to calm down and behave. He is often very much, in my opinion, over the top in this department. He is very condescending and quite rude, seeking to ridicule and close down MPs’ rhetoric.
Others reading this may disagree and that is their right but having watched an awful lot of Parliament I have a good argument to make the case that he is very much one-sided in this regard towards the Tories, from where this current Speaker himself has risen.
The other major point which has left me incredulous is that fact that it is down to the Speaker to choose which amendments are to be put forward for debate. Democracy is fallen here as in his choices he has demonstrated a bias towards remaining within the EU that has been staggering. This current Speaker is clearly compromised and cannot be tenable for much longer.
The mere fact that the Speaker should be the only measure as to what is debated is a flawed system of government.
The voting procedure for any law or statutory instrument is, in itself, archaic and well past its sell-by date. When called for division, MPs walk into a voting lobby to register their vote. That is it. They are clicked through and counted, names taken and nothing else. Modern it is most definitely not.
All eyes are currently on the Mother of all Parliaments and I have sadly lost all respect for it as an institution. It is deeply flawed in its procedural conduct. There are many other questions about at present to do with the cost (£115 million this last year alone on MPs’ expenses) to convicted criminals remaining as MPs and voting on major constitutional matters. Members employing their family members and friends to all manner of positions means nepotism is rife and unchecked.
Allegations from many junior civil servants about bullying and sexual harassment is often swept under the carpet and can be very expensive, at tax payers’ expense. Non-disclosure agreements are a common occurrence.
So, in the past few weeks whilst the debacle of Brexit has unfolded, where many of the current MPs have been measured and found very much wanting, the whole palace of Westminster, its archaic policies and procedures have to me, proven themselves to be totally unfit for purpose and in much need of an complete overhaul.
I would like to see ,every 5 years ,MP s and thus a Parliament , selected from the registered electorate by a random number generator ,if a person who has been selected refuses , then the job goes to the next in line. for their service over the course of their employment they should be paid a proper wage for the job. It surely could not be worse than it now is.
The Palace of Chaotic Varieties?
from PMB Steven Place is right in much of what he says. But I am concerned about what, and how much, might be swept away. There is, or was, a suggestion of First TWO past the post as a way of getting Proportional Representation by combining adjacent constituencies, and returning the first 2 candidates. That seemed to me the best way when I read it. And that alone would necessitate modernising the voting system.
I still feel nostalgic about MPs having to leave the chamber and pass through lobbies. Besides, this viewer needs the natural break – however Bercow manages. Is that a new meaning to the word Remainer?
Thank you Stephen, another good article. I cannot help but sympathise with your perspective.
In this age of technological advancements it is not just society that is changing but our ability to change how we conduct the functions of governance and governance itself.
I will not cite examples but I know they exist. That is, examples of where the baby is thrown out with the bath water.
Who could not agree with you with regard to corruption and plain inefficiency?
Life is a play one which runs and runs with various actors, plots, scandals, successes, heroes and villains.
The HoC is a museum, but that does not mean it does not have value and is not a good venue for the theatre of politics.
I want to hear Big Ben chime over a free and independent Great Britain. That also means resurrecting the true integrity and meaning of our Parliament, theatricals and all.
Why on earth would we want the crap settings that so many governments have in ‘modern’ buildings. I would rather see them stuck in St Pancras Station!
We want our cake and we want to eat it too!
No, what I would do is leave them in there and tell them they had better make a lot better job of it.
• No more ‘other’ jobs
• No wage over twice the National Average.
• One fixed expense allowance.
• Attend all debates or lose pay.
• Inform electorate what they are doing for them
• Etc.
Technology can make everything run like clockwork and efficiently in the background and we WILL be assured of our money’s worth and our Democracy. Or out the door!
It is not difficult to be in agreement with all points in this Stephen. Visual facts carry obvious weight and allow for little argument ! This week I have given vent to a 65 year old memory of mine. I cannot remember the item that my Dad was interested in, but he took me along to Westminster, and showed me The Commons and The Lords from the public galleries. He was worried that I might be bored, but that was utterly erroneous.- I was just so impressed by the building, the atmosphere and magnificence, and looking down on the Commons, I could imagine the old Bulldog, Winston Churchill, growling by the despatch box, as many other Bulldogs across the house, took his lead and added their own views. Dad was pleased to see me reading through his Churchill set of books, and at about age 9, I found The Gathering Storm to be most impressive !
Over the last few weeks I have watched some of the Parliament Channel.- Good grief !- Is this now a Bulldog free area ? All we seem to have, with very few exceptions, are a load of tiny mongrels, all yapping at one another, expecting their drivel to be entered into Hansard, and their smug, stupid faces on the telly ! An aging and useless Poodle for a PM that has had ‘Her Deal’ defeated twice by record votes, but hopes for third time lucky, as she goes to Brussels for the umpteenth time to have her tummy tickled ! This Englishman is not a natural depressive, but I feel that a health warning should accompany this channel today. The 650 MPs are certainly too many for the Commons Chamber, but that’s the fault of our politics, not the fault of the building. Oh, but we need that number of Representatives !- Why ?- They can’t even represent by actions the vote of the People at the referendum, so it is obvious that Parliament is needlessly over staffed ! No wonder the building is in need of substantial repair, as it has witnessed Governance of UK/GB slowly but certainly being pushed down the toilet !
Does anyone have any regard for Parliament and the so-called Government after the current fit-up and betrayal? Sod the traffic jams on the M25 etc. We, the betrayed, need to make a bold statement. One of course that would not be too demanding for the Eastenders brigade to consider, and that is to assemble en masse and block the route to the State Opening of Parliament later this year so as to give the tourists in this 3rd world outpost something worthwhile to photograph and send worldwide – just to show that reports of the death of politics in the UK are grossly exaggerated. Or of course we could go along and wave very tiny Union Jacks in one hand and white hankies in the other. You heard it here first.
Most debates do not become law. Advisory only, and the purpose is to educate ignorant delegates/ representatives/MP both of which they are and need to understand things to a highest level. This ennables them to contribute realistically and/or prepare them for bigger responsibilities. You only need to look at labour benches to understand the depths of ignorance and hights of hysteria that can be reached.. PMQs helps the process.
These people are our representatives and MUST be linked to the constituencyand able to answer criticsm properly when( Not IF ) called to account. Our existing MPs have bent. the system and are out of our control. MP s Must come from their constituency… Anything else and they are taking authority but not the responsibility. ( That is ythe perk ofthe harlot. ). The EU voting system is a calculated and clever way to emasculate.Most AV doesn’t like this. As for electing from lists !
Our parliament is an incredibly sophisticated evolved system. Evolved over centuries and a favourite target for those seeking obvious simple answers. There are none.
Our MPs are , just like the rest of us when it affests us are cunning , duplictuous, econamical with the truth etc. So of course they have altered it to suit themselves given half a chance. It is these past alterations that spoil it. so these need to be put right. I am not an expert but Listen to prof Bogdanov ( Approx ). or Bill Cash..
So what needs dioing now first. Slam the revolving door. No second income. Control lobbying. For education,use Committees ( They have very little other purpose aside from their Education of ministers .
There are several other procedural and other unwritten conventions whose only purpose stopping open warfare which need changing
Most European countries have Comparatively new constitutions or parliaments ( They’re fashionable but not really important ) and have not yet evolved to suit.their positions. Hence their acceptace of the EU which they think will cover their backsides.
I must stop
The Tories will be decimated at the next General Election. Let’s hope UKIP has got its act together by then and can field a full suite of candidates for all constituencies.
Once we get the Tories out, if we’re still a member of the EU, is there anything to stop us retriggering Article 50 and unilaterally getting out without any notice or other formalities?
We should just repeal any necessary legislation and walk away. What are they going to do about it? They have a weak position on trade and they’ve tried war before and failed. Of course we also need to re-arm to a level fit for an independent nation.
First we have to beat them to seats in the House of Commons!
Parliament is working perfectly for the agenda of the progressive liberals.
We rarely hear the progressive liberals of Lib/Lab/Con/Greens moan. And why is it working for them – simple – they are very driven and committed people who put the time and energy into getting what they want.
Nobody who has voted Lib/Lab/Con/Green over the last 15 years can justly complain about the Brexit treachery.
Brexiteers must engage in politics if they want Parliament to work for them like it has served the interests of those seeking to dismantle the nation state.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/16/still-wont-back-mrs-mays-deal-not-brexit/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em
Well said Owen Paterson. Neither, in my opinion , will the DUP cave – it’s the only principled party in the House of Betrayal. The Establishment media( i.e. virtually all of it) is pushing the idea at the moment that May/EU’s polished turd will actually be passed next week, but I trust there are sufficient ERG MPs who will stick to their principles to make the passing of this appalling act of treachery impossible.
A long delay to exit or “No Brexit” is a bluff in my opinion – it would electorally permanently sink the Tory party , and that is why that unprincipled scumbag of a party will not dare to do it, even if the EU allow it, which is by no means certain.
I’m afraid the DUP may well cave. If they do you can be sure they have been bribed to do so.
hoc should be in birmingham–perhaps the MPs would love the diversity?
Hull was suggested. I felt it was perfect. Best access by trawler.
Stephen, I agree that the archaic rules need to be binned, especially the position of Speaker. A great opportunity was lost when the Olympic Park ceased to be required for that purpose. Surely one of the stadia could have been converted into a new HoC complete with budget overnight accommodation to trim the MPs’ expenses?
The present building could then have been restored to a state fit for a historic monument at a fraction of the cost of retaining it for its present purpose and the ridiculous cost of moving them out to temporary accommodation and back again avoided.
Of course the inhabitants are in a far worse state then the building for the most part…
PS: I made a comment earlier to this article relevant to the archaic voting lobbies:
https://independencedaily.co.uk/the-self-humiliation-of-our-political-establishment-a-closer-look-at-todays-editorial-in-the-daily-telegraph/
get in there ..A cntract to install stair lifts @ At £ 2.7 million per lift Inc’g all commisions and disbursments ( Genuine leather seated ‘Sitta’ ) Complete with clauses for compulsory purchase and over runs . Consultancy fees to be seperately contracted ( up to £ 1.5 Tr ) on the advice from Sitta Consulting. May consultancy be as in speeches