Group-think ‘reporting’ …
As we surmised last week, this war in the Ukraine has become a very handy ‘excuse’: our politicians, all the way down from Johnson, as well as our MSM, all the way down from lofty editors, won’t have to address tiresome issues such as their lockdown decisions based on faulty data.
I’m not going to report on ‘Teh News’ according to the MSM – it’s war, nobody with any sense knows what is really going on. The ‘correspondents’ on the ground may transmit to their newsrooms some ‘omigawd – shock horror’ stories, but can they really do more than provide some anecdotes?
Bear in mind that our oh-so-grand MSM uncritically use the antisocial media for their reports. There are no ‘fact checkers’, there’s only one side which must be believed. If one doesn’t, if one dares to ask, one becomes a ‘Putin Understander’, a fate worse than being labelled ‘lockdown sceptic’.
Let me give you one, just one, example, to show why I warn of believing one word our brave MSM write. Right next to their ‘read the latest shocking war news’ in yesterday’s DM, there was a report about those Ukrainian soldiers defending an island and getting bravely killed but who are actually all alive (link).
Do check it out – it’s a prime lesson in how these ‘war news’ are being manipulated. First, believe without any proof (‘there’s a war on, ye know’) what one side says. It was on twitter, so it must be true. Next, when evidence to the contrary appears, declare it must be a Russian propaganda ‘trick’ and shouldn’t be believed.
I’m sure you’ve all noticed by now that the western governments and by extension the MSM have made it their business to convince us that nothing at all coming from Putin and their media, can be believed. Moreover, “we” don’t even need to talk to Russia.
There’s more. Ms vdLeyen announced yesterday that the Russian media ‘Russia Today’ and ‘Sputnik News’ will be banned in the EU (link). Yes, that’ll help the ‘war effort’. The point about suppressing Free Speech isn’t simply that people cannot speak out – it’s that people are prevented from forming their own opinions which might run contrary to that of the governing classes.
Just as during the covid years our rulers ‘know’ that we plebs are too thick to think, that we need our hands held. People who think by themselves, who want to make up their own minds even if they might well come to the same conclusions as those provided by governments and MSM – those people are dangerous. Those people aren’t easily nudged. Un-nudgeable peasants? The horror!
I wonder if, a few weeks, months or years down the road, after the sanctions have truly bitten us, some courageous reporters and correspondents will start asking the questions which should have been asked today, not just about this war but about the sanctions being proposed.
Just as with the economic effects of the lockdowns affecting us now, it’ll be too late then because the inevitable effects of those sanctions will have been felt by all by then. Our politicians seem to think that sanctions work only one way, that they’re for them to impose and for others, e.g. Russia, to accept meekly. Let me just add that this war isn’t about Ukrainian freedom – Biden himself has stated that the aim is ‘to degrade the Russian economy’.
Furthermore, don’t make the mistake of believing that we’re all in the same boat. Mr Biden has allegedly made clear that not all Russian banks are equal, that those which deal with payments going to Russia for their oil export to the USA won’t be sanctioned.
And so to the important report which has sunk without a trace. Ms Knapton of the DT reported yesterday that the SAGE scientists whose modelling kicked off Lockdown two years ago, with all the hardships and cruelties which followed, knew even at that time that the data for their models were incomplete, insecure and insufficient:
“SPI-M (Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling) minutes released to the Telegraph under a Freedom of Information request show that by March 16, modellers were still “uncertain” of case numbers “due to data limitations”. The minutes show that members were waiting for comprehensive mortality data from Public Health England (PHE) and said that current best estimates for the infection fatality rate, hospitalisation rates, and the number of people needing intensive care were still uncertain. They also believed that modelling only showed “proof of concept” that lockdowns could help, and warned that “further work would be required”.” (paywalled link)
There’s more. See this comment by Professor Carl Henegan who said (my emphasis):
“This has always concerned me about the modelling. Throughout the two years there has been systematic error, consistent over-estimation and a tendency to go directly to the media with conclusions, without validation or peer review.” (paywalled link)
What ought to concern us is that the same argument can and should be made in regard to the current situation of ‘war reporting’ and in regard to sanctions. Ms Knapton wrote a companion piece with the title
“How scientific ‘groupthink’ silenced those who disagreed with Covid lockdowns – Many influential scientists were ignored, ridiculed and shunned for suggesting less draconian ways of dealing with the virus” (paywalled link)
It’s good that this group-think is now at least acknowledged in a MSM report. It’s good that finally the scientists, busily shunned by government and the covid-obsessed MSM, are being heard.
However, it’s horrifying that this same group-think, this same ‘go to the media without having proper data’ has seamlessly been transferred to the reporting on the war in the Ukraine. The MSM have switched smoothly from writing about ‘covid horrors’ to reporting ‘war horrors’. No facts are checked, critical voices are being shunned.
I hope that, once this war is over, there will be some journalists still worthy of that name who will dig out the truth about the gung-ho decisions this government is now making on our behalf, again without proper data, again driven by group think.
By that time though chances are we’ve become too poor to care – but will we be happy? Your guess is as good as mine …
Matt up North. Here is UK Column’s take on this question :
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-28th-february-2022
35.08 minutes in.
Also I have just been watching a video by some businessman sitting in an apartment in in Kiev who says Zelensky is evil. This is not saying Putin is the Good Guy but he is not targeting civilian areas but military installations. The displacement of large swathes of civilians is due not to fear of the Russians but from fear of Zelenskys press ganging of civilians and his attempt to arm ill trained civilians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=1vdiEABLFoo
Wish Melanie would extend her fine principles to the right of the Palestinian people to their independence?
First thing that leaped out at me – ‘The EU has banned news out of Russia’.
How strange. I seem to remember, back in the old days, it was disgraceful, wicked, that the U.S.S.R. blocked and banned broadcasts from western Europe.
Aww, Pauline – you don’t understand! That was then – this is now, and that means ‘it’s ok when we do it’!
Btw, I can get TASS, RT, Sputnik News, all in English, no trouble.
It’s a sad time when we can no longer rely on our ‘quality papers’ to give us unbiased reporting. It’s been going on for a long time but these past days it’s become utterly blatant. Who is holding a pistol to all those chief editors’ heads?
Yes well, the media, the civil serpents, the politicians, none of them have an ounce of integrity nowadays.
So for genuine news we rely on you Viv.
And I.D. is one of very few places we can exchange our opinions.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6ea7347dcbb9a7c1beb9ea4924c4827b3b77276ef8147a10ff2892e175d3f68.jpg this is the link I have been trying to post which shows the duplicity and downright fraud of the MSN and their handlers.
You might like to read this report published yesterday in Off Guardian – for some inexplicable reason I didn’t receive it, else I’d have mentioned it in the text above.
Is Putin a globalist? Surely the whole point of anti-russian western rhetoric has to do with the fact that Putin is not in the globalist camp? If the centre of the globalist initiative is the WEF then it would make sense to undermine and take out Putin. It would leave space for their favoured actors to infiltrate Russian politics. Putin seems to have an iron grip on power in Russia. It is the type of power the globalists would love and aspire to achieve. As far as I am aware for all his faults Putin is not at war with his own people in the way western governments plot to subjugate their own populations. Strange times. I am ready to be surprised should anyone know different. Oh and I am not a Putin apologist either. War is a last resort after jaw, jaw, jaw etc.
Good points Matt up North.
No I can not see that Putin is a globalist. As you suggest the W.E.F. have been aiming to get rid of him for months.
Meanwhile Putin has given long warning that the situation is not good and it was time to jaw, jaw, jaw.
I saw a couple of the clips going around posted by an eagle-eyed Telegram user. One woman had her home bombed and was bloodied and bandaged. Unfortunately the same woman had the same injuries in 2018 because of a gas explosion in another country. There’s plenty more where that came from.t
Biden couldn’t stop an earthworm, he is that inept. The man is just too old and decrepit to be holding the position of president of a major country such as the USA. However he did rule out ‘boots on the ground’ in terms of US troops in Ukraine which would have made the situation far worse than it is. Besides which the Americans were late to enter both the First World War and the Second World War, and I suppose one could understand why they were reluctant to get involved as the wars were thousands of miles from home territory. I do agree with Nigel Farage when he stated that NATO had provoked the Russians by extending their sphere of military influence eastwards towards Russian borders upon the collapse of the Soviet Union. If NATO and the European Union had made agreement with Russia that Ukraine would not have been accepted into the EU or NATO and remained neutral, then this present situation could have been avoided. It was laughable when that twerp Ian Dale on LBC said Farage’ remarks were shameful. Dale is not a pragmatist and knows nothing about politics which is all too apparent on his radio shows. Best he keeps to that.
No such agreement was ever made.
https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/putin-apologists-and-the-crisis-in?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxNDc4NzA4OCwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDk0NTc2MDksIl8iOiJEY1A1WCIsImlhdCI6MTY0NjAzMjg2OSwiZXhwIjoxNjQ2MDM2NDY5LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNzc2NTUiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.gtpygpRqTfQRtv9igR8O0FFrIr35S_9bmy5PHPCPpXI&utm_source=url&fbclid=IwAR0z3KZvmjgiNwq_9AOF_MPssJYftDegjN99Zbrx9kQmwlhUdYgH-B6oyEo
Sorry Arry, but I would much prefer to believe somebody like Nigel Farage who keeps his eye very much on the ball on these type of issues. Are you saying he is wrong then?
Agreed Colin Hussey. And I agree with N.F. there, as well. N.A.T.O. have broken the undertakings they made when U.S.S.R. broke up.
No answer from Arry (Harryagain). Obviously knows he is wrong (again). You cannot fault someone of the calibre of Farage. His understanding of current issues is second to none and would put many of MP’s and government ministers including Boris Johnson in the shade. This evening on his GB News show in the ‘Talking Pints’ section he had an excellent guest in the form of Chris Parry, a retired Rear Admiral in the Royal Navy who specialism was and still is strategic planning. He is of the strong view that Putin would never use the nuclear option and gave the reasons why, and that in the current peace talks he is having with members of the Ukrainian government he would settle for the limited amount of land that his forces presently occupy at the moment.
No such agreement was made.Do you not have the wit to check it out?
https://www.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-russia-by-expanding-to-the-east
No such agreement was made.
https://www.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-russia-by-expanding-to-the-east
This is the answer to all who’ve been wondering if Putin is just another globalist. Schwab of the ‘Great Reset’ backs Ukraine and will do all to help them. Beware, this report is from RT, a ‘propaganda source’ which we mustn’t believe, never mind even look at (link).
Btw, hasn’t Gates been buying up vast stretches of agricultural land? Ukraine is the 2nd largest (or was) export of wheat … more land to be had, after the war, for Gates, if Biden can stop Putin …
Leaving SWIFT, which is a messaging service, is small beer, but no one is mentioning that they have frozen out all Russia’s banks, to crash the rouble (a G20 currency) and cause rapid inflation and discontent, but cynically allowed them to keep trading commodities. It’s a game you see. This could push him into China’s and India’s arms, splitting the world financial system causing turmoil. It is in Schwab’s interest to create turmoil, so the longer the war goes on the better for their agenda, and a new digital currency to ‘reset’ the world economies.
Seeing as how the US has been funding between 8 and 13 (two figures I have seen) bio-labs on Putin’s doorstep for about 10 years, that alone, in the current circumstances, could have provoked him. It is always an indicator of truth when something is immediately fact-checked as nonsense.
Unfortunately the US Embassy in Ukraine website listed them all under Biological Threat Reduction Programme (double-speak if ever there was) with downloadable PDFs about each. They quickly deleted them all with the arrival of hostilities; thank Heaven for the Wayback machine. e.g. Dnipropetrovsk Oblast Laboratory Center, 26 Smidta /39/A, Filisofs’ka Street, Dnipropetrovsk. It lists: “EDPs Permit: The permit for working with Pathogens was issued by Regime Commission of MoH on February 15, 2012.” Yes 2012!!!
How strange that this, along with the seven years of shelling of the Donbas and cutting off their water supply, is never mentioned. Where was the humanitarian outcry at the cruel Ukranians?
One further point. An independent journalist living in Kiev said the word he is getting is that the Russians appear to be using their oldest armour and green troops as cannon fodder; keeping their elite troops and state of the art hardware in reserve in case NATO does something rash; also not revealing their true strength and capabilities. Makes sense to me.
Pure speculation, not least since there’s been nothing wehre ‘cannon fodder’ was needed. Please be aware that major, proper MSM sites are accepting without question videos from Ukrainians which ‘show’ stuff that was actually videos a few years ago in e.g. Syria.
Another was of a huge ‘explosion in Lugansk’ which was actually a Chinese refinery taking fire … And, as a friend asked: why do these hacks not ask why the Russians would shell the separatist republic which they’re just liberating, why, if it were even true, are the Ukrainians not accused of shelling innocent citizens?
Propaganda war – don’t believe anything, from either side.
Fair enough. But I wasn’t speculating, I was relaying what someone said. And context is all. This was two guys casually catching up with each other way off mainstream. I judged them credible or I would not have posted. After years of two fake narratives, climate emergency and Covid emergency, a third is easy to spot. And your questions are amongst many I have listed myself. I am fully aware what the MSM are doing; unwatchable/unreadable. Patrick Henningsen of UK Column blew away the narrative on yesterdays Political Correction on GB News, which I don’t think they expected. They did not pursue anything he raised.
Hello Phil O, can I use your post elsewhere please?
Belated, sorry. But of course; any time. But as Viv might say, these are only my opinions and what I believe to be facts.
Gates buying up land could be part of the drive to produce food shortages in the short term by stopping it being used productively. Or it could be towards Mr Global’s drive in the longer term to acquire ownership of all natural resources; basically not just to own the people they have patented via their gene therapy but the whole planet, lock, stock and barrel.
Patrick Wood’s segment beginning about 7mins in, is very worth watching.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/yBpIGydpxnb8/
Also Vera Sharav’s testimony at 3:13, at the end of which she lays out how the 1918 Spanish Flu that killed 50million or so was actually bacterial pneumonia started by Frederick Gates, Bill’s grandfather, funded by the Rockefellers.
For much greater detail on that, watch Janet Ossebaard’s eye-opening documentary:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BJWcN71OPNSU/
Thanks for that Viv. As you know I was one of the people who were wondering.
I did know – and it’s a valid question. Now the mask has dropped. This whole war plays of course right into the hands of the ‘Great Re-Setter’ …
I remember the first Gulf war in 1990. Congress was persuaded to go to war by a report of babies being killed in a Kuwaiti neo-natal unit supported by a photograph. The story and the photo were later revealed to have been fake. It was just another illustration of how governments decide something then prepare public opinion. Rarely, it seems, do they share the real reasons, For the second Gulf war it was a fairytale about weapons of mass destruction ready to rain down on us in 45 minutes. History is littered with examples of goverment deceit – Heath concealing the last minute decision to sacrifice the UK fishing industry in his 1973 decision to join the EEC for example – all known by the MSM. Yet, time and time again the MSM swallows goverment propaganda unquestioningly and feeds it to the public. Even so, I do not subscribe to the organised conspiracy view of all this. There are too many actors that would need to be coordinated and fully controlled, but there is a kind of organic alignment and ever present opportunism. The West did not deteministically engineer Putin’s war, but it siezed the opportunity to conveniently flood the media narrative with distraction form the parlous state of things. In many ways, this feature of our morally decayed establishment is harder to deal with. When, as in HIngary, Czechoslovakia, Poland and the old USSR, the people knew, really knew, that they lived under fake news and, the enemy was clear – their own government. Repression by force was the only way totalitarian government could surive. But there are not enough police in Western societies for the odl fashioned way to endure. Although we appear to be halfway there – thanks to Trudeau, Morrison et al – it will be the Chinese social credit system that is the model for the future. Vaccine pasports as precursors to digital ids, the emerging cashless society and the Treasury’s plans for a digital currency are the seeds of it here in the West. I can at least be grateful that I will not have spent the majority of life under such a system but the ‘progressive’ young know not of what they are sleepwalking into.
SY- my brother-in-law was in Kuwait when Eye-rack invaded many years ago.
You probably remember it – everyone killed and devastation beyond the Second World War fire bombing of London.
So, b-in-law phones home to GB as usual. Spousal unit frantic. Yes, a bit of fighting around such and such but hardly worth talking about (says he who was on the ground there).
Returning to GB early? Why? Says he.
An example of an inconvenient true memory that I at least, wont forget.
When I talk about this to people, the older generation ( I am one) just shrug and say “I don’t care I won’t be around to worry about it” and the younger people, generally, just state into their phones with a blank look on their faces. Those that do appear to listen can’t see the problem.
I think it was Starkey who reminded us of that old saying about plunging in the bayonet. If you feel resistance you withdraw and thrust again; once you feel mush you push even harder. So Blair failed to introduce Identity cards. The Vax passport failed because the evidence that jabs did not confer immunity so it was pointless, seeped out just in time. They are now quietly going for an NHS App through which all your health services will be provided. Gotcha at last. Ippon, finally. Of course it will be presented as a necessary radical overhaul to, yes, save the NHS.
Couple that with the Online Harms Bill and objecting will be treason, and then link payment to the new Britcoin. Game over.