Not quite yet Azovstal … perhaps one day when the SMO is finally over
Did you really think that today’s big news story for our MSM are or ought to have been the surrender yesterday of over 300 ‘fighters’ in Azovstal/Mariupol, that their wounded were taken to hospital in the Donbas, for treatment?
Sorry – our Westminster propaganda outlets had different priorities. At the usual place (link) you’ll find that “we” have to be concerned about ‘apocalyptic food prices’ – as if we could do anything about that except be scared! The other ‘big thing’ wasthat a football player ‘has come out’. Omigawd. That is just so important!
Also, “we” needed to read that caring Labour has demanded the Treasury hand out £500 each for the poorest. If anyone still thinks that Labour and their supporters in the MSM have a good grasp of economic realities rather than believing in unicorns and money trees – well, I’m sorry for you.
And so to the big story which did make it eventually into the online editions of the broadsheets. Sorry, I’m not going to wade into the RedTops pages – life is too short. Early yesterday social media yesterday had reports that there were ‘negotiations’ ongoing between Azovstal ‘leaders’ and Russian forces. A humanitarian corridor was opened, a ceasefire was declared.
Yesterday evening the first pictures emerged, of wounded Azov soldiers being taken to waiting buses and transported to hospitals. This first report came from an RT journalist, but it can’t be Russian propaganda because Reuters picked it up (link). First, here’s RT with the plain news:
“The first stage of surrender was completed on Monday. 264 soldiers left Azovstal. There are now 53 wounded servicemen in a hospital in Novoazovsk and 211 soldiers in Yelenovka, both of which are part of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Russian sources have estimated that about 2,200 people have been trapped in the basements of the huge Azovstal complex.” (link)
Next, here’s the Reuters spin – note that we’re meant to believe that this ‘evacuation’ was due to Ukrainian troops, insinuating that Russia didn’t play a role:
“Ukraine’s military said on Tuesday it was working to evacuate all remaining troops from their last stronghold in the besieged port of Mariupol, ceding control of the city to Russia after months of bombardment. The evacuation of hundreds of fighters, many wounded, to Russian-held towns, likely marked the end of the longest and bloodiest battle of the Ukraine war and a significant defeat for Ukraine. Mariupol is now in ruins after a Russian siege that Ukraine says killed tens of thousands of people in the city.” (link)
Note that the expression used is ‘evacuated’ but not the word ‘surrender’. That one of those leaders came out with a white flag: nah, must be fake news created on social media. Now see the DT spinning:
“More than 260 Ukrainian soldiers holed up in the Azovstal steel plant for 82 days were evacuated to Russian-controlled towns on Monday night pending an “exchange”, the Ukrainian government said.” (paywalled link).
Again, the operative verb is ‘evacuated’. Also note that the DT uses Ukrainian ‘sources’, they do not speak to Russians. More on that “exchange” below. Next, The Times, being a bit more selective in their choice of expressions:
“More than 260 Ukrainian troops left the besieged Azovstal steel plant yesterday after Russia agreed to move the seriously wounded to a medical centre in the town of Novoazovsk, and the rest through a humanitarian corridor to the town of Olenivka, both of which are controlled by Russian forces.” (link, paywalled)
The Times is being coy, avoiding the use of both ‘surrender’ and ‘evacuate’. Instead they insinuate that somehow Russia was pressured into letting the Azov soldiers go, allowing them to just walk out.
When that RT report first hit the internet, there were also rumours that Mr ‘e and his military advisers were meeting in Kiev to assess the situation. He did, and he made a statement. I am delighted to document how this defeat is being turned into yet another ‘ra-ra-Ukraine’ occasion. Here are the immortal words of Mr ‘e, posted on his social media channel, quoted from a Russian news site (machine translated, my emphasis):
“Difficult day. But this day, like everyone else, is aimed at protecting our country and our people. We have hope that we will be able to save the lives of our guys. There are seriously wounded among them, they need help. I want to emphasize: Ukraine needs living Ukrainian heroes. This is our principle.” (link)
These phrases were picked up and broadcast by Russian news agencies (e.g. here). RT has the full statement:
“Thanks to the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, intelligence, as well as the negotiating group, the International Committee of the Red Cross and the UN, we have hope that we will be able to save the lives of our guys. I want to emphasize that Ukraine needs Ukrainian heroes alive. This is our principle. I think that every adequate person will understand these words. To bring our military back home, the work continues, and this work requires delicacy and time,” he stated.” (link)
Do not even think to ask how come Mr ‘e repeatedly ordered the Azov battalion and all other troops to fight to their last bullets if ‘Ukraine needs Ukrainian heroes alive’! Instead, the western MSM are now into a ‘whitewash Mr ‘e’ operation. However, there are the first hints of a split in the High command between Mr ‘e and his cronies and the Ukrainian military, see e.g. Reuters:
“The ‘Mariupol’ garrison has fulfilled its combat mission,” the General Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces said in a statement. “The supreme military command ordered the commanders of the units stationed at Azovstal to save the lives of the personnel… Defenders of Mariupol are the heroes of our time,” it added.” (link)
So who told their troops to fight to the last bullet? The Ukrainian General Staff or Mr ‘e and his consorts? One final quote, showing that Russia cannot be totally let out of these reports, is reported by Reuters and picked up in the DT and The Times. It’s by the Ukrainian deputy Defence Minister Anna Malyar who said that “All of the evacuees will be subject to a potential prisoner exchange with Russia […] “ (link).
On the one hand we’re meant to believe that Russia agreed to this humanitarian gesture because they want to exchange all the Russian POWs. On the other hand this is the seed for the coming ‘stories’ about ‘bad Russia’ not exchanging those poor innocent soldiers. Yes, well … given Russia’s stated aims of denazification, such ‘exchange’ might take time.
I recommend reading this article by Larry Johnson on the fall of Azovstal. You might also enjoy this short article by Andrei Martyanov who assesses our MSM perfectly. Our MSM are already avoiding using ‘Russia’ and ‘Putin’ in their reports on the Azovstal surrender.
Given the order of the Ukrainian general staff, might we expect the rest of the Azov neonazis to come out and surrender today? Who knows. Who knows if the Ukrainian troops still battling in the Donbas areas will now also decide that they should do as Mr ‘e said, surrendering or running away, because ‘Ukraine needs their heroes alive’.
There’s this quote about bankruptcy, allegedly by Ernest Hemingway: “How Did You Go Bankrupt?” “Two Ways. Gradually and Then Suddenly.”. Many observers and commentators on the alt media have been saying that this may well be the way the SMO will finish. We’ll see. Mr ‘e has provided the perfect pretext for surrender.
I leave you with this tweet which had the blogosphere in stitches yesterday. Do check the Reuters photo which was kindly supplied as well. Nothing could demonstrate better how the western Ukrainian propaganda machinery works. It’s certainly way more funny than having to read about a gay footballer.
I wonder why the MSM and the stupid footballer think anybody is interested in him !!
Asi of Ukrainian history.
Viv. What is SMO? First thought was SQL Management Objects – SMO. Maybe something to do with shoes, but unlikely. Could be Social Media Optimization – never heard of it, so none the wiser.
Although the in-crowd constantly use TLA (three letter abbreviations), as a professional engineer one uses a table of abbreviations or use the std ‘name (abbreviation)’ on the first use and abbreviation thereafter. Often my ‘output’ goes into the public domain.
If I started off talking SMFL, shadow costs (SC), SQL, 3 hidden layers (3HL), PMC (Prime Minister’s Cat), . . . well.
OK, no good getting older, if you don’t get wiser, what is, and what does SMO *mean*?
Ta in advance.
SMO is ‘Special Military Operation’, and it is what Mr Putin has called this military exercise.
You are quite right Viv. Putin has called it a special military operation all through.
The eight year war in the Donbass looks set to continue for a long time. Western intervention has only ever prolonged regional conflicts – Vietnam, Syria, Afghanistan – without fully defeating anyone. Partition reduced or temporarily halted the killing in Korea, Ireland, Cyprus and Sudan. The famous 1939 and 1941 conflicts between Finland and the Soviet Union ended with Finland conceding territory to the USSR. Yet, apart from reviled Macron, no-one accepts that partition of Ukraine is the route to ending the war. History suggests that it is a question of when not whether Ukraine is partitioned and the rest of this year will be a tussle to determine just where the boundary will occur. Zelensky is posturing when he says Ukraine will carry on until even Crimea is won back. The US military-industrial complex will decide when a truce (and defacto partition) will be allowed. Until then everything we hear is just noise. (Macron is criticised for jumping the gun). The US strategy of over-extending and weakening Russia wil continue for a while. There is no clear idea I can discern as to when Russia will be weak enough. Complete defeat is not a realistic goal as the Russian volksgeist is to endure suffering for years (and years). At some point US interests will be ovetaken by other events – Middle or Far East perhaps – and the war in Ukraine will fall down the list of priorities.
‘Events dear boy, events’ as Macmillian said.
Reply to Stout Yeoman 9.54 am.
My computer has gone extra silly today. Or the internet has been censored more.
But I seem to remember a river called the Dnieper, which would make an ideal boundary between Russia and Ukraine.
Anyone thinking that would be giving Russia too much, should bear in mind just how much Russia has lost since 1914.
They always needed access to the Mediterranean Sea.
Tzarist Russia ruled the whole of Ukraine.
One way and another I still feel that Putin is looking after the interest of his own country and people.
Which after all is what the leader of a nation should do.
Pauline, I think this might be the river you have in mind. I hope the link has copied/pasted okay.
https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwMkyPrzJg9GJPyctMLUgtAgA6hQYb&q=dnieper&oq=dniep&aqs=chrome.1.0j46j69i57j0l2.12251j0j4&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Ref. Western intervention: may I just mention that Britain (and others) won the ‘Malaya Emergency’ (1948 – 1960) and Malaysia has continued to be a very successful country. Thanks to our intervention. BTW, my husband David had a medal from the Malaysian Government for taking part in that ‘intervention’.
The communist insurgency abated in 1960 but resumed in 1967 and lasted until 1989. British troops were involved for the first 12 years and included Britain’s My Lai (Batang Kali massacre) and a scorched earth policy of using agent orange and killing livestock in an attempt to starve the communists and somewhere around half a million were interned in concentration camps. Homes and villages rumoured to help the communists were burned. Over 290,000 troops on the British side were embroiled for years by an estimated 7000 insurgents. It was not Britain’s finest campaign and hardly a model for Western intervention. I don’t doubt your husband deserved his medal and many British did their duty. That does not alter the reality of the campaign. Britain ‘won’ against 7000 insurgents but it took 12 years.
That tweet was hilarious.
Viv started of by talking about the economy and food shortages; here Neil McCoy-Ward talks about historical events and how they relate to what is happening today and what is to come, there are some home truths here.
“Lessons From The 1381 Serfs REVOLT!”
https://youtu.be/9sQ35Agw2H4
The defenders probably ran out of ammunition. Pointless continuing.
HarryAgain:- Bbc reports that all but one Russian General has been killed.
More than a third of the Ruskies have also been killed (with no prisoners murdered by the Ukrainians). Only five soviet tanks are not burning due to effectiveness of uS tank-killer weapons.
The Ukrainians are pushing the Ruskies back. They are not surrounded, with the sea to their back, but have oodles of arms, artillery, tanks, anti-tank guns and other gear supplied by the nato warmongers.
American general inbedded with Ukrainians at mariopol – belgian and british officers ‘observing’ in Kiev. Run out of ammo surely cannot be possible. Can it? Ukrainians surrender when winning. No way. It must have been misreporting eh HA? They meant the Ruskies surrendered.
The anti-Christ Ruskies are on the run dontchaknow – confirmed by gbnews, sky, bbc, itv, wikipedia et al.
“Not a lot of people know that”
They are backed on to the Sea of Azov which is completely surrounded by Russian controlled territory. They are therefore totally isolated.
Don’t you know you geography?
HA- we all know Geography. I see him down the pub every Wednesday.
You cannot even see a tongue deeply planted in a cheek. No wonder you get so much skewed. Humourless as always.
As I came to the site today it crossed my mind how you might get out of this one. Brilliant. You did not disappoint.